IBU3 main gun sounds.

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Re: IBU3 main gun sounds.

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There are a couple of things to consider. One is the onboard amp on whatever board is being used, the other is the number of channels that the system can play at the same time, and another is the sound file itself.

A Clark is hard coded, and the gun sounds are audible when the tank is running.
Elmod sounds are in a different ballpark, powerful amp, multi channel, and studio produced sounds running through some complex onboard systems (Only on Fusion systems running their NextGen sounds - the others are 22mhz 8 bit mono).
IBU makes use of recorded sounds. As many who have delved into the sound files will know, these are 22mhz 8 bit wav files.

WAV files are the highest quality, but also the biggest memory hoarders. They are uncompressed to avoid losing quality.
However sound files are a bit of a liability. Take You Tube as an example. Someone makes a video of a tank, and they upload it to You Tube. The video may have been recorded in any one of the multitude of formats using any number of codecs. To speed up the upload time they may convert the video into a format that You Tube likes, this means compressed files, and loss of quality.

You Tube then converts that file into its own format, so more loss of quality.

You spot the video, and download it. Choose the wrong download format and the quality drops again.
Now its on your pc, and you extract the audio using whatever software you choose, another format, and a bit more quality gone.
Then you load the files into Audacity, and save the reworked sounds back into 22mhz 8 bit mono sound, so whatever sounds you started out with, there has been a significant drop in the overall quality of the sounds, quite apart from which the sounds are now in mono and being reproduced through a tiny onboard amp, rather than through a pc soundcard and stereo speakers.

I know from experience that no matter how good the original sound source was, by the time I have run through this little lot, all I am left with is something that sounds vaguely like what I started out with. The only way around this would be to stand next to the real thing with a quality recorder that recorded directly into 22mhz 8 bit mono sound, and with sound levels tuned to perfection.

Ok, so now we know that we aren't going to get concert hall quality from this little nightmare, we have to make best use of what we have got. The first step is to only use You Tube files that are recorded without background noise, these are very difficult to find.

Download the video and sound separately, I use a Firefox add on that downloads You Tube videos, but that allows me to select the quality of the download, or just the audio, and to select the format. This way I have the best starting point possible.

Next step is to import the file into Audacity.
Switch the stereo to mono, that way I am closer to hearing what I am going to end up with.
Next take a look at he waveform, if the peaks don't touch the upper/lower limits then the sound can be amplified without distortion. Go into effects and amplify it a little at a time so that the peaks are as high/low as they can be without touching the limits. If the peaks hit the limits they get clipped, and that is what reduces the clarity of the sound. You need all of the peaks and troughs to keep the range in the sound.
Tank sound systems change the range of the sound, so try playing it back with different settings on bass and treble. You will lose the sound detail as soon as the file diminishes, like it is does at the end of a gun fire. There is nothing much you can do about that, we are working within very limited parameters here.
A pc will play the whole range and everything will sound great, but the tank is a different ballgame. Mono sound, small amp, small single cone speaker, a speaker box that is probably home made, and it is inside a plastic hull that may or may not have direct access to the outside air. Speakers vibrate air, anything that bounces back or can't get out will diminish the quality.

To get a gun fire audible over the engine requires the gun amplification to be louder than the engine amplification. Though if the board is doing too many things it can't always allocate resources to do everything at once, hence the gun sound disappears. When I make sound files I dispense with as many sounds as possible, so tracks squeaks are usually deleted.

Another option to consider is merging sounds in Audacity. As an example, merge engine sounds and track squeaks, that way its only playing one sound file instead of two, but you will still get both sounds. You can do the same with crew voices, merge them with turret rotation sound sounds, or elevation sounds, and you will hear the voices when the turret rotates etc. If you have a TD with no turret, you can replace the turret rotation sounds with anything you want, and simply play them when you push the stick sideways, you can stick all sorts of battle sounds on a tank this way.

I hope this helps someone, making sound files is a learning process, a lot or trial and error, but having sounds that no one else has got is like having a tank that no one else has got. :haha:

Rob

PS - The sound comes out of the speaker, it has to be in an enclosure and preferably airtight so that only the vibrating cone is emitting the sound, anything that comes out of the back of the speaker will cause distortion. The only two decent speakers that I would recommend are Tamiya or Visiton FRS7's/FRS8's, as they match the output and range that the tank systems produce.

http://uk.farnell.com/visaton/frs-7-4oh ... dp/5095487
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Re: IBU3 main gun sounds.

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Great description Rob :thumbup:

I just point out IBU3 uses 16 bit sounds so better quality, but taking into account all the losses mentioned above could well be of 8 bit equivalent quality afterwards.

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Re: IBU3 main gun sounds.

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Tankbear wrote:
jackalope wrote:It really sound have the ability to change the individual sound levels in its programming screen.

Like I said TheIBUMan is looking to add this to the software.

Have you tried any of the other main gun sounds already available for the IBU3 if your not after accuracy?

Good News , I asked for this a while back. It's a Nice feature on the tbs benedini. Happy to see it ( Down the road) being added to the IBU 3
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Tankbear wrote:Great description Rob :thumbup:

I just point out IBU3 uses 16 bit sounds so better quality, but taking into account all the losses mentioned above could well be of 8 bit equivalent quality afterwards.

Ian.
I reckon you ought to buy a high quality portable recorder, go down to Bovington, and refuse to leave until they have started and run all of their tanks. It's the least they could do!! Just don't blame us if a couple of rather large Royal Engineers appear.....:haha:
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Re: IBU3 main gun sounds.

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and wibblywobbly, thanks for the good Write up.

I usually just use offliberty to DL youtube videos and sound seperate . Would I benefit from using the Method you describe ? ( what addon pleez ? )

my take on the sound creation stuff

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Re: IBU3 main gun sounds.

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Thanks Ian good to know thus is being worked on! :thumbup:

I've tried everything 88 and up on it from the sound file library. I'll try YouTube next, found quite a few good videos of M1's firing their 120mm man gun so I'm sure I'll wind up with one of these for my Jagdtiger.
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This is the add on/extension that I use.

http://technologyto.com/extractor.html

The download button is at the bottom of the page.
You will get a question at some point asking if you want the FFMPEG files installed, just say yes.

When it is installed a 'Download' button appears under the You Tube video. Click on it, and a list of download options appears, eg Video, Video and Audio, Audio, and all of the possible formats and qualities. Generally speaking the bigger the file the better the quality.
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Re: IBU3 main gun sounds.

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Thanks! I'll try it once I get home from the oral surgeon, I have a wisdom tooth that's bad so I'll be home for a while.
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