Tiger I late version

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You may want to check this guy out:

http://magicscalemodeling.com/accueil.html

I saw him at IPMS in Telford. The website is under construction but he makes a moving and firing servo-controlled MG mount for 1/35 scale bunkers. Sadly the one he had on display had broken in transit, but he had some other very cool light effects (like a couple of Germans smoking fags around a glowing brazier).

I talked to him about the possibilities of making a mount for an MG for 1/16 scale tanks and he was very interested.

Talking of light effects, this one is a bit off topic (sorry hotte) but this diorama at Telford was unbelievable!
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My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350
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Re: Tiger I late version

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As I have already announced, at my test drive is a more or less major problem occurred. Since a while I drive a new track tensioner, same principle as used in Tamiya Tiger 1.
But while I have my Tiger tested in really deep sand, he stopped at once suddenly. Okay I thought, fuse blown - no problem, for that is she there. But indeed was not only blown the fuse, but broken both idler wheel arms. A view at my damaged idler wheel arms...

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So first once take the tank in my car, drove home and analyzed at home this problem. Two causes could I found beside the crucial extreme driving conditions. But first was complete disassembly at my agenda.

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From my supplier for the track tensioners (RC tank) I've got after description of the problem immediately and free replacement. However, not only the broken arms, but also equal to the counterpart, the internal tensioner.
First I was surprised, but then I saw the reason for that - the idler wheel arm was about 1 mm in diameter stronger than its predecessor. So that was a weak point and also a reason for the failure.

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An additional cause was the big lever that could be effective on idler wheel arm, because an external support is missing. For this problem I have found my own solution, I turned on my lathe two jacks of aluminum. The inner diameter of the sleeve corresponds to the outer diameter of the idler wheel arms, now they sit sucking in the sleeve.

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The aluminum inner part of the lower hull had to be adjusted a little in the rear, so that my sockets could be inserting from the inside. Pictures...

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And so looked the whole thing from the outside.

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So were two vulnerabilities reinforced, but not quite enough to me. If I drive again in deep sand takes the track (again) between the guide teeth a lot of sand and small stones and it will run over the idler wheel. As result increases the tension of the track until there is nothing more and this tension is then passed on to the drive sprocket and idler wheel.
Nothing to do against that problem at the drive side, a good help could be a chain tensioner, who isn't rigid; so in case like a spring, according this principle. This tensioner then as small as possible because I haven’t enough space in my tank. So I've made first a sketch, then a CAD drawing and then the construction; as building material was used copper sheet and brass tubes.

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Four slices of copper sheet 0.4 mm thick cut, drilled and screwed together for further processing. For this purpose, each with 2 husks of 6 mm in length (corresponding to the width of the clamping nut) cut from brass tube with 3 mm inside diameter and fits for that two pieces of pipe 10 mm long, 3 mm outer diameter. The two small pieces of pipe were then placed in the two husks and will later receive the spring.

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The whole thing then repeated once more with brass tubes of 4 mm inner and 4 mm outer diameter; this holds the tensioner on the common shaft.

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Here they are sanded and assembled temporarily.

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Then the four copper plates processed together.

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From these parts were assembled two new tensioners and soldered together as follows.

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However the springs still missing. These I have then bent out myself of spring steel rod with 1.8 mm diameter and for that I've built a small bending tool. Pictures...

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That was the preliminary result.

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After a few adjustments follows the installation, on the track side for receiving the spring and for a good force transmission I've soldered still two little tubes. Pictures say more than words, that's why...

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With my self-made tensioner I increase the preload of the spring, this gives the preload then directly to the track tensioner and the track shall tensioned.

The spring may seem a bit weak in the photos, but is actually very strong. So the tensioner does only a little bit springs, this should mean, that he does not operate during normal use, but is capable to rotate a bit under high pressure.
Well, I've tested a few spins on a doormat, so he works a minimum, the chain tension still remains, as it should be.

But nevertheless I have considered to build another spring from spring rod with 1.6 mm diameter and a bigger inner diameter for a better working range.
A specific statement about functionality may follow later times after detailed testing, perhaps outdoor.
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Re: Tiger I late version

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Very impressive fix, although I should call it an improvement on the original! And damn do you have some nice tools there!
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SovereignZuul wrote:Very impressive fix, although I should call it an improvement on the original! And damn do you have some nice tools there!
Yes you're right, it's an improvement - if it holds, what it promised. And yes, the tools - I like them too; it was a favorable chance for me to buy them from a colleague.
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It continues with the rebuild of the electronics, my recoil unit and the gun elevation unit was removed and replaced with servos. My turret after removing of the old control unit - remaining is only the arm for height adjustment.

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The pivot point of the gun shield I’ve already changed at the last rebuild, at this point it goes on now. First, however once will old lift arm removed. For the inclusion of the servos I've taken an aluminium angle and saw him to length.

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In the middle I've cut then the recess for the gun itself and the recoil unit.

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This aluminium angle was then simply screwed into the gun shield to check the highest possible positive and negative inclination angle.

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For servo mounting I took again aluminium profiles, a bit smaller than the other, provided with a cut out for the servo and this then screwed into the large aluminium bracket. In this picture is the servo bracket for the gun elevation to see.

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The first servo is mounted on the bracket...

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...and also mounted the second.

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The servos then again removed and the recoil unit built. For this purpose, an aluminium U-profile once lengthwise slotted; the length of the slit corresponds to the maximum recoil way.

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Then was built an adapter tube, once for receiving the gun barrel and at the other side is located the lever arm for the recoil unit. I'll show again pictures, then I need not explain so much...

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Here is the cannon in the forward position…

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...and here in the rear position.

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For the recoil mechanism I’ve soldered a piece of flat brass onto the adapter tube and there is the jib arm screwed.

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The hex bolt I have finally replaced by a countersunk screw.

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At the recoil unit I leave the 0,8er steel wire as push rod to the servo, for the gun elevation but then I have...

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...used a stiffer push rod, so the game is less.

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A little bit of the wiring is already to see, but this then later.

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Re: Tiger I late version

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I continue to be massively impressed by your internals! I spent the day working on my gun pivot point as well, slightly different design than yours but your servo mounts are great. I may copy that when the time comes. :wave:
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Hotte,
All the Kudos of the day to you. Incredibly engineered to work within the confines of the turret. Having just fought to simply add a Tamiya mantlet to a Heng Long turret for a Pershing redo, my acknowledgement is great! but my understanding is still small. When my Tiger build begins, I will be carefully going over what you have done.
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SovereignZuul wrote:I continue to be massively impressed by your internals! I spent the day working on my gun pivot point as well, slightly different design than yours but your servo mounts are great. I may copy that when the time comes. :wave:
Hello SouvereignZuul,

so should it be; everyone post his ideas and each member can use it for own projects.
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PainlessWolf wrote:Hotte,
All the Kudos of the day to you. Incredibly engineered to work within the confines of the turret. Having just fought to simply add a Tamiya mantlet to a Heng Long turret for a Pershing redo, my acknowledgement is great! but my understanding is still small. When my Tiger build begins, I will be carefully going over what you have done.
regards,
Painless
Hello Painless,

many thanks for your kindly words. If you build your Tiger and you should have any questions please don't be shy and ask me.
For me is this also the first time to use servos and I must say - it is not so difficult as I thought about.
The servo supported controlling for some functions in our tanks looks well-pleasing as that a mechanical control could do. But for me is a good controlling board also required, I use always ElMod (a german manufacturer) but I think, a clark board or a other one is also useful. So you can finely adjust all servo functions. So I have the possibility to adjust the recoil servo so, that the backward movement is faster and forward movement is slowly.
In the next reports will still follow some other technical modifications; please stay curious and follow my report further.
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Today to a part of my electronics, the installation of the CSI - ElMod's combat simulation interface. The fungus should to be plugged in at my gunner’s hatch.

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For this I had to dismantle the hatch once again; I use a late hatch of metal which makes processing unfortunately much more difficult.

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The signal transmission from the turret to the lower hull will realized later through the slip ring, so there is no direct connection to the CSI board, that's why I wanted to have also the infrared LED on this small board.

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Here it is prepared; so can later then both next to each other plugged into the gunner’s hatch.

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Then the preparation of the hatch itself; I have worked with a fretsaw - is already a comic alloy this metal stuff.

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With the file yet sanded something into shape and then...

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...cut a little piece poly plate to underlay and brought into shape.

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This little plate then stuck on the board and the whole then...

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...from below stuck through the gunner hatch and glued.

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Here a view from below, both wires for Infrared-LED must still be soldered.

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I was not quite sure if the fungus is long enough to sometimes (exceptionally) can catch a hit, so I once tried an extension - no problems found.

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The main board of the CSI, which is connected to the ElMod blaster comes in the lower hull, the signal transmission then by slip ring.
An attachment point does not exist on this board, so I will build a little poly-box; here are the dimensions already drawn to a poly-plate.

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Then cut, sanded and glued together.

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Isn't she cute?

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And just there it comes in - the CSI board and this with double sided adhesive pad.

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Next time it goes further...
Greeting Hotte

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