OKMO 1/16 ARTR M113

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Postby BarryC » Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:23 pm

Just saw this.

https://www.dklmrc.com/[OKMO]_116_ARTR_3D_Print_US_M113A3_APC_model_kit/p2389473_21593755.aspx

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Postby tankme » Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:50 am

They've sold at least 2 since this morning when I saw the number at 16 (now at 14). What bothers me is the PZ3 tracks. No one makes a proper US spec track for the M113. The rest of the details look nice, but after seeing additional warping on my 3D printed SU-152 conversion, I'm weary of 3D printed tanks. The IS-7 is 3D printed, but it is really thick and has supports printed in. I hope it doesn't deform in the TX sun or I will be pissed.

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Postby Xiaoshan_Sailor » Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:18 am

Looks as if Clark lost another one or perhaps he's always just wanted to be the design house, all along.

I want to know when the BT-7 appears. :haha:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:14 am

BT-7 Yeah, great call that.
I'd rather a BT over a KV-2 .
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Postby Xiaoshan_Sailor » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:36 am

HERMAN BIX wrote:BT-7 Yeah, great call that.
I'd rather a BT over a KV-2 .


Several of us have been lobbying the 3DP community to consider making a BT-7.
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Postby lmcq11 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:28 pm

I've scratch built four RC 1/16 M-113 vehicles in different versions so i know a bit. Looking at the pics and video of the DKLM M-113A3, here are a few observations;

- the hull shapes, dimensions and overall details look good and accurate.
- A drawing seems to show that the trim vane at the front can be lowered realistically and the engine hatch can open, i like that, but the cantilever hinges for the trim vane are likely very fragile if they are not made of metal.
- It also show that the arm that locks the trim vane in lowered position is extendable, again very fragile mechanism if this is 3D plastic.
- No mention or display of working headlights or tail lights, which is weird as it would be easy to provide.
- Toy like commander's cupola rotation feature, surely there is a way to slow it down.
- Browning M2 and barrel is not very good looking.
- No ACAV gun shield option.
- There is an opening rear ramp but no interior details.
- Unclear if the small rear door can manually open and close.
- Side skirts look good but hopefully these are removable.
- Use of Panzer III tracks instead of proper US T-130 or T-150 tracks is very disappointing.
- Unclear if the rear external fuel cells can be easily removed for anyone wishing to back date this vehicle to an earlier version.
- The suspension looks weak during operation.
- Missing spare tracks on front glacis.
- Commander and driver hatch can open, but unclear if the rear compartment top hatch does.
- M113A3 in Iraq show a added belly armor that is not present on the model.

Overall, It is nice to see an M-113 offering for guys who do not want to scratch build one.

M113A3 with T-130 tracks

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M113A3 T130


M113A3 with T-150 tracks

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M-113A3 with ACAV shield, showing T150 and T130 tracks side by side, with added belly armor.

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M113A3 ACAV
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Postby tankme » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:44 pm

From the way it sounds there are no motors included either. It says there is a mount for the Dual Current HL or PDSGB gearbox. That tells me no gearbox is included. I've wanted an M113 for so long, but just not sure about this one yet. Going to wait to hear the reviews of it first. I would have bought Clark's BT-7 also... :)

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Postby tomhugill » Fri Mar 18, 2022 7:02 pm

tankme wrote:From the way it sounds there are no motors included either. It says there is a mount for the Dual Current HL or PDSGB gearbox. That tells me no gearbox is included. I've wanted an M113 for so long, but just not sure about this one yet. Going to wait to hear the reviews of it first. I would have bought Clark's BT-7 also... :)


It says a gearbox is included
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Postby lmcq11 » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:06 pm

Also shown in the M113 video is the upcoming Cadillac Gage V150S. The S means it is the rare stretched version which is 46cm longer than the other. The V150 comes in many versions but i think DKLM has picked one of the least interesting one. It seems to be the standard personnel carrier version with pintle mounted Browning M2 and without parapet. As such, its just to drive around. A version with a turret mounted 20mm or 90mm gun would have been a lot more interesting. Hopefully, they will release other versions.

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Postby 50koruny » Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:49 pm

tankme wrote:They've sold at least 2 since this morning when I saw the number at 16 (now at 14). What bothers me is the PZ3 tracks. No one makes a proper US spec track for the M113. The rest of the details look nice, but after seeing additional warping on my 3D printed SU-152 conversion, I'm weary of 3D printed tanks. The IS-7 is 3D printed, but it is really thick and has supports printed in. I hope it doesn't deform in the TX sun or I will be pissed.


Warping of what?PLA?
If yes, its normal.
I warn against using it whenever I can.
You should never print RC tanks out of the PLA.

With some more serious materials, like PET(G) and ASA, it will be safe up to 85-90°C.
One of my T-14 is in Australia, completely printed with ASA, it can withstand temperatures up to 92°C.
No warping issues, as far as i know.Almost comparable with the classic injected plastic (ABS).

These OKMO kits are printed with the nylon powder on the professional laser sintering machines, if i understand them correctly.
This is the most durable 3D printed plastic available.Much different from the desktop FDM printers (especially equipped with the PLA).
Printed like this, it must be fully comparable with the classic plastic RC tanks in terms of durability.Maybe even more durable.
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Postby Koenigstiger 007 » Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:48 am

Hello,

here you find the metal tracks with rubber pads in scale 1/16 - scroll down please

https://de-de.facebook.com/Attracks/?ref=page_internal

Kind regards

Guenther 8)
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Postby tankme » Sun Mar 20, 2022 4:07 am

50koruny wrote:
tankme wrote:They've sold at least 2 since this morning when I saw the number at 16 (now at 14). What bothers me is the PZ3 tracks. No one makes a proper US spec track for the M113. The rest of the details look nice, but after seeing additional warping on my 3D printed SU-152 conversion, I'm weary of 3D printed tanks. The IS-7 is 3D printed, but it is really thick and has supports printed in. I hope it doesn't deform in the TX sun or I will be pissed.


Warping of what?PLA?
If yes, its normal.
I warn against using it whenever I can.
You should never print RC tanks out of the PLA.

With some more serious materials, like PET(G) and ASA, it will be safe up to 85-90°C.
One of my T-14 is in Australia, completely printed with ASA, it can withstand temperatures up to 92°C.
No warping issues, as far as i know.Almost comparable with the classic injected plastic (ABS).

These OKMO kits are printed with the nylon powder on the professional laser sintering machines, if i understand them correctly.
This is the most durable 3D printed plastic available.Much different from the desktop FDM printers (especially equipped with the PLA).
Printed like this, it must be fully comparable with the classic plastic RC tanks in terms of durability.Maybe even more durable.


I can only guess it's PLA that as Armoured Models printed it. I'm going to heat it up, reform it, and pour some resin as a backer on it to see if I can get it to survive the sun.

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