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I did do a search but couldn’t find anything on this section, but does anyone know if zimmerit was placed under the side skirts/track guards? I’m trying to figure out if it would be accurate to not have zimmerit on the lower side of the upper hull, just below the line of where the skirts would mount. I plan to make the tiger a very late war/possibly a “what if” tiger maybe late 1945 with the night vision that’s been repaired a few times with a couple different colors.
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I cannot confirm whether the Zimmerit was applied on the lower hull. But here's something to consider and for others to confirm or correct (please!): I believe some of the late war tanks had no Zimmerit. I hope my faulty memory (as in, "now where did I read that?") stirs up some answers to your question.
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The Tiger 1 may have had Zimmerit all the way down the hull sides behind the guards.
or, it may not have !
Depends on the build period you are doing & in the case of a what-if, you have Carte Blanche !!
Tiger I production ended in August 1944, while on September 1944 Zimmerit was no longer applied to German tanks. So the Tiger I was not in production when Zimmerit was no longer applied.
There is no late war tiger 1's as such, rather survivor vehicles being in the rear for repairs, along the lines of what you are making as a "What-if"
Lots of bare patches where the zim has been knocked off, and different colors from donor machines.
The 'Gruppe Fehrmann' KG Shulze tigers are about all thats close to this subject line, and those are well documented, at least for the ones we know about.
There was one Tiger 1 left abandoned in the park not far from the Reichstag which is also well known.

Just build it the way you want it, I will be checking on its progress for sure, I love a rough Tiger ;)
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Herr Dr. Professor wrote:I cannot confirm whether the Zimmerit was applied on the lower hull. But here's something to consider and for others to confirm or correct (please!): I believe some of the late war tanks had no Zimmerit. I hope my faulty memory (as in, "now where did I read that?") stirs up some answers to your question.
You’re absolutely right that zimmerit was stopped at some point late in the war but I do believe all final production tiger 1’s had it applied?
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HERMAN BIX wrote:The Tiger 1 may have had Zimmerit all the way down the hull sides behind the guards.
or, it may not have !
Depends on the build period you are doing & in the case of a what-if, you have Carte Blanche !!
Tiger I production ended in August 1944, while on September 1944 Zimmerit was no longer applied to German tanks. So the Tiger I was not in production when Zimmerit was no longer applied.
There is no late war tiger 1's as such, rather survivor vehicles being in the rear for repairs, along the lines of what you are making as a "What-if"
Lots of bare patches where the zim has been knocked off, and different colors from donor machines.
The 'Gruppe Fehrmann' KG Shulze tigers are about all thats close to this subject line, and those are well documented, at least for the ones we know about.
There was one Tiger 1 left abandoned in the park not far from the Reichstag which is also well known.

Just build it the way you want it, I will be checking on its progress for sure, I love a rough Tiger ;)
So all final production tigers more than likely would have had zimmerit then right? So let’s say in the case of what if there were some tiger 1’s in the rear having repairs done, let’s say the eastern front had been delayed several months and the battle for Berlin didn’t happen till September or so. Some of the remaining tiger 1’s definitely would have been repaired and of modified right? I’m aware of the tiger at the zoo bunker I believe it had turret number 323? Known as the last tiger in many cases? There was also perhaps one of the last king tigers not far from there tiger 314?

I’ve done a coat of gray primer then a coat of red oxide so now I’m kinda stuck on what colors I should do next and what parts.
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Tiger 323 wrote: I’ve done a coat of gray primer then a coat of red oxide so now I’m kinda stuck on what colors I should do next and what parts.
Factory applied base coat on a whole vehicle was dunkelgelb at this time.
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If you really want to tear your hair about these things, these are the ultimate Tiger-nerd sites to consult:
http://alanhamby.com/tiger.html
https://tiger1.info
I wouldn't worry, if I were you. Anything under the shirts wouldn't be that visible anyway- and with tracks and running gear in the way, no one would notice- even if the old girl hoisted her skirts up. :D
Zimmerit kits for Tigers don't have 'underskirt' sections, as far as I can recall. :D
"Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please"- Mark Twain.
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Plus the under-guard areas of Zimmerit would have suffered from the rigors of debris thrown by the tracks, and deflection of the guards(during them being ripped off or distorted) and that moisture & concentrated exposure to various minerals & elements present in earth compounds would have seen fair wear & tear on the zimmerit product applied in a hurry to the less noticeable & important surfaces of a Tiger over time :think:

As a what-if project and late war to boot, you just go Son, let it all hang out on the field & leave nothing behind.............. ;)
(but show us along the way!)
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Alright so I finally got a little time to work on the tiger, I haven’t decided on the sides of the upper hull as far as if I plan to have zimmerit go all the way down but I did make some progress and added some impact ricochets with Zimmerit blown off. I tried to make the edges look like they have a heat/fire effect like it got hot. Lots more to do just need more time! Sorry I don’t know why the photos upload from my iPhone sideways.
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Here’s another one
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