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1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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One of the less rewarding parts of this hobby for me has been the truly painful process of the constructing Aber PE wingnuts. Since I begun, therefore, I have been looking for shortcuts, other than persuading someone else to make them for me (a failed plan for sure). So, I was joyous indeed to come across the New Aber 1:16 wingnut offerings (new as in the '16 105' set not the old '16 111' which are the nightmare fiddly PE version).
Hence, just for information (for those not already aware of course) I thought I would post some pics of them here along with a comparison with the Schumo 1:16 wingnuts I have for anyone who is similarly vexed by the thought of 'winging it' otherwise.

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Although both are 1:16 scale the Schumo are a little larger that the Aber (different sizes I guess, which is useful of course). More importantly the Schumo are a molded one-piece construction whereas the Aber come as two-part sets of cast nut and turned threaded shaft. The threaded shaft on the Aber is not a matched by a threaded nut so it just slips to the position you want (and needs to be fixed in the desired position).
The Schumo offers a set of six molded nuts on threaded rods that place the nut at varying heights (a nice touch, unless you want two at equal height - in which case you will need to buy more than one set). The Schumo is also a full threaded rod whereas the Aber rod is threaded only at the top of the shaft. Lastly, Aber are made from brass and Schumo from some kind of alu alloy (I think).

Price wise the Aber set is about £12 for a set of 12 and the Schumo are around 6.50 Euro for 6 so, roughly around a £/Eu each. Where the Aber excels, however (and for an equivalent price) is in terms of overall finish and the addition of a turned threaded rod that included an eye at one end, which is needed for so many different applications. The Schumo one piece wingnut is just not so flexible in this respect, although the fully threaded shaft will be more desirable for certain applications. Overall, each will be more useful depending on where it is used (i.e. where an eye on the rod is needed, or a full thread). However, I think the shape of the Aber is more realistic, though this is a matter of opinion I guess.

I purchased the Aber wingnuts from Forgebear (not in stock at this time of posting), and they are also presently available from Welsh Dragon Models. The Schumo wingnuts I got from Axel's Modellbau Shop and he presently has them in stock.
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Hi Dr, I have a thing about Wing (Butterfly)nuts, I did use Schumo but discovered Mitosal, same thing except without the shiny finish and available loose in bags of 10 plus,
As with the Schumo the thread does not work as it is merely pressed in place, What I do is chase the thread with a die from my "Rolson" Tap and Die set, which gives me a working Wing (Butterfly)nut of course you need to Tap a thread into the item involved to complete the job, go to ----
www.mitosal.com
Click on Catalogue then Hex nuts and scroll down. Mitosal is a good source for Tank Tracks as well.
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Thanks Shaun, I'll have to check out the Mitosal.
I did see your post and information on them a while back but at the time couldn't locate any and just wasn't sure they were what I was looking for. It's sounds like a good idea to tap and die the rod and nut too (on the Mitosal/Schumo), though I think i will likely only do that where I really want a usable/working fixing (and, frankly, I don't have a tap and die set that goes down to the required sizes - at least yet!). That said, I love the idea of having this level of realism (i.e. working nuts, bolts, etc). In fact I recently started building a collection M1 - M2 nuts and bolts for my next build (can't seem to find sub M1 though - perhaps they're too small to engineer?).
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Doc, I bought my "ROLSON TAP and DIE set" from the Amazon site, The set goes from M1.0 through to M2.5, And it is one of those tools that I rate alongside a Pin Vise as essential.
I also have a "Draper Tap and Die set (Part number21 TDS) which goes from M3 to M10 and more, A useful back up for bigger threads.
Fixings in small sizes are out there, I get mine from ---
www.prime-miniatures.co.uk
And what they might not have then ----
www.modelfixings.co.uk
almost certainly will.
I have been using both company's for years and they are BRILLIANT.
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Good afternoon, Doctor,
This is a great find and will prove useful with every build to come. Nice on the Mitosals as well, Jarndice.
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Thanks for sharing such a useful information! :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Shaun, I think these might be for you (or any wingnut looking for scale wingnuts, including me :haha: ), just found them on RCTanks.de website;

https://www.rctank.de/WECOHE-Fine-Line- ... ass-M08-M1

The larger (M1) size look to be tapped already and there are matching bolts available in 6mm and 8mm lengths (both in M0.8 or M1).
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Hi Doc,
Thanks for the link and the heads :thumbup: :thumbup: up but As I told Pete (Sgt Malarky) on his Tiger 1 thread I took delivery of a set of WECOHE 0.8/M1 threaded wing nuts last week and I am most impressed,
I have but one Question, Where the HE*L have they been for the last ten years ?
I also bought the stock of Doms Metal 360 turret rings with bearings, These are for my Tiger 1s and Panzer 4s they are still available in the larger size for the Abrams and Tiger2.

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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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Ah, I didn't think you would miss these to be honest Shaun but I never caught the other post/thread.
I think, like so many things, it's a case of market pressures, supply and demand, etc. This hobby appears to be growing now and that means a larger market for these companies - i.e. it was previously too fringe (and low run production) to be worth tooling up for, etc.
So, how do the WECOHE compare to the Schumo and Aber (they look really good)?
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Re: 1:16 Scale Wingnuts

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As you say Doc, Market forces, that and a Chinese economy that will except losses that provides an opening to another niche.
There is no comparison between these and "Impact" and "Schumo" both of which are just pressed images of Wing/Butterfly nuts,
The only way to get them to work is to run them through a die that gives a working thread along the stud but the Wing/Butterfly nut still will not move independently,
The "Aber" Product is confusing because the separate threaded stud is fine but the Wing/Butterfly nut is a tight but unthreaded push fit onto the stud unless you want to try forcing a thread into the Wing.Butterfly nut with a tap and die set.
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