So You Say You Want Metal Gearbox Mount Plates?

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So You Say You Want Metal Gearbox Mount Plates?

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I just went looking for these metal plates you can mount the gearboxes onto, in your Heng long tank.

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Some may ask, why would anyone want to bother with adding these plates? Well the best answer would be, is because the way they mount the gearboxes is weak, and marginal to begin with. the factory gearboxes are mounted with 3 sheet metal screws going into the plastic. It works for a while, it is cheap, and it is good enough to get the tank out the door so that's how they do it. This is fine for the majority of model tankers, who just have plastic tracks and gearbox, drive the tank 10 minutes and put it away, and never add any weight to your tank.

But if you change anything though, like adding metal tracks, the stress on the gearbox mounts obviously increases. The gearbox will flex, possibly too much, because they are only mounted in plastic that flexes a lot - and the gearboxes are dragging a lot of weight, all while just being attached by those 3 screws! This flex can mean your mount screws will loosen, the hull mounting holes may split or strip, and even can contribute to thrown track problems. So if you run your tank anything other then plastic everything, or you change your tracks to metal (or it came with them), or add any weight to it such as metal panels and hatches or even a metal turret or some such, the factory way is not the best way for you to mount the gearbox - the best and most structurally sound way is obviously to use, those metal plates.

The cheap alternative is to drill several holes in the hull, and use long screws to mount the gearboxes more solidly. Many people do not want to drill such holes as it mangles the tank basically, and who can blame them? So instead of doing that, using these plates will mount the gearboxes much more solid and eliminate the hull flex completely. It is also a fix you can use if the gearbox mounting holes in the hull have cracked or broken off.

The problem is finding these plates! They used to just sell them separately, now you have to go a little bit out of your way to find them. But there are still places you can buy them cheap, So here are the two places i have found them available, one is fast and one is cheap!

1. Ali express/mato outlet. Jack Wang is the salesman and he will get them for you, but he has to get them in a roundabout way, because they are not a storefront item and they are not just click-and-buy. So to contact Mr Wang, and maybe look at all the other thousand and one tank goodies they have there, alls you have to do is go to ali express, do a search for "heng long tanks parts" and just scroll down keeping an eye on the "sellers" field (there's only about 6 or 7 vendors so it's easy) until you see a part sold by mato outlet like in the arrow

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Just click the "mato outlet" words and it takes you to their store, click "contact" and send Mr Wang an email asking for the plates. Because these are not a storefront item, he gets them from somewhere else in China. But again because the plates are an item that is not just click-and-buy, it is in a roundabout way, it will sound like a shell game of some kind the way he tells you you have to do it! But you can trust jack, have done too many transactions to count with this gentleman, i can vouch for Jack he's on the up and up and you won't get cheated! So if you want these plates; so follow his instructions, he can get you as many plates as you want for $5 each.

If you are wary of buying in the odd way i described, i don't blame you, but i just ordered 3 of the plates since theyre only $5 each SHIPPED which is pretty dang cheap if you ask me, which is why i went for 3 at once. I have no real idea of exactly how they look, but when i get the plates i will post pictures of 'em. That will probably be in at least a month when i get em...the slow boat from china bringing my goody stuff happens to coincide with chinese new year, which begins this sunday Feb 16 - and all that means for us tankies, is every consumer good shipped out of china might grind to a crawl since the holiday lasts two weeks! Anyway i have 5 HL tanks i will find out exactly how well these fit in each one, pics on that too.

2. From Erik at Imex tanks. At this link

http://www.imex-model.com/category/87/R-C-Tanks.html

At the lower left of your screen, click the "contact us" button and tell him you are looking for the plates. He quoted me a price of about $20 shipped, per plate. This model tank retailer is based in Florida so, for those in the USA it would certainly be faster to buy from them. But again, it is not listed in the products section so you have to email them more info back and forth a bit to get the plates.
Honestly you'd think the tank part retaillers would get the idea by now that people want these plates but until they do, this is one way to go about getting the mounting plates if you want your gearboxes to mount in your hull and in there nice and strong instead of just 3 screws into the plastic!
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That is what I call helpful, in the true spirit of the Forum.
From a purely selfish point of view, I would like a source of "Gearbox Mounting Plates" for a TAIGEN Tiger 1 metal hull that can take "WALTERSON'S BRASS GEARBOXES"
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Shaun, maybe I am being a bit dense, but dont 'Watersons gearboxes' get supplied with a metal mounting plate ?

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Hallo Martyn I hope all is well, you are asking a valid question, indeed the "WALTERSON BRASS GEARBOXES" do come with a Gearbox mounting plate, unfortunately just about every dealer that sells these Gearboxes fails to mention that the gearbox mounting plate that is supplied will only fit the HENG LONG Tiger 1 Hull!! You have my word of honour, the supplied mounting plate will not, I shout now hoping dealers will hear, WILL NOT FIT A TAIGEN TIGER 1 METAL HULL!!! :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :{ :{ shaun
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Hey Guys,

I bought a set of Waltersons for my KV-1 and the plate fit perfectly. Maybe it has exactly the same set up as a Tiger but since I don't have a Tiger (I like to be different! LOL!) I can't verify that. But thanks for the source, I can use them on some other tanks...
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Do you have a dremmel tool? If not get one. Then go to the hardware store and buy the sheet of metal you want then using tin snips and your dremmel tool make your own motor mount plate. The main advantage of making your own is you can make it how you want to. Want to make it longer and add more mounting screws do it. Want to make it go up the front and use it for a mounting point for the upper hull, then do it.

But you are 100% correct the plastic lower hull flexes like CRAZY when you add weight.

Better yet make your mounting plate and then pour fiberglass resin in underneath the plate and it'll be as ridged as the real damn tank!
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Jack Thank you for your words of help and advise, When I discovered the failure of the plate to fit my TAIGEN Tiger 1 I made a plate from an ex army mess tin, You want rigidity use an ex army mess tin :haha: That, and the bulkhead that I built and fitted that separates the gearbox lubricant from the electronics are modifications that in my humble opinion should be offered by TAIGEN as part of the upgrades they offer, The bulkhead also provides the internal strength that is otherwise lacking. Oh by the way I am the proud owner of a dremel and all manner of attachments. :thumbup: shaun
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But jackalope i thought about doing that, i don't have access to a drill press and other tools you'd really want. Also locating all the holes? Not easy, not for me anyway. If someone made a template, life size, i might have tried doing that...but rather then even try and knowing my (lack of) ability to do this, i knew i'd just waste a bunch of plates and drill the holes wrong. So, i just gave in and bought the plates for $5 each from Mato...if i have to drill a few holes myself to make him fit at least the locating holes are there to begin with.
Maybe when i get the plates, if i remember to do it, i will trace around them on a piece of paper or heck just scan the plate on me scanner. Then add some measurements to help people who want to make their own. I have no idea how to make it so the image of the template would come out life size, this would be ideal so somebody could just print it out and use the template, but i honestly don't know how. Me i will just pay the $15
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Sorry guys didn't mean to come off like an ass I was only trying to offer an alternative. :{

Marc you wouldn't a drill press, just a drill or even just a dremel tool. As for a template you can use either a piece of cardboard, construction paper heck I would even think you could use a sheet of plane old paper some scissors or xacto knife and a pencil. I wish I could help you out more Marc but its not easy from the other side of a key board.
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Jack Hi, I have no idea why you are apologising, Top class instructions, and if I had not already discovered a fix I would have found your directions to be the answer to the problem. :thumbup: :wave: :thumbup: :wave: shaun
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