To fix play in Panther Susp.- How to Make the Bushings?

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Marc780
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To fix play in Panther Susp.- How to Make the Bushings?

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I thought this post might help others who have problem with too much play in their Panther/JP suspension. And a question-what's the best way to make these bushings?

So if you have an out of the box Heng long Panther or Jagpanther, this post might be for you. As manufactured, many if not most Panther lower hulls have a problem built in: the suspension arms and thus the road wheels, have far too much outward movement (slop or play). Sometimes a tank will have this happening and run fine anyway and if so, possibly no need to even give it a thought. But if your tank is not driving right or even throwing tracks, much of the problem might be caused, because the run of your road wheels is not in a (more or less) straight line...because maybe the road wheels twist out too far. And often this is caused just by play/slop in the suspension arms at the pivot bolt.

So here is a cheap fix i found for road wheel/suspension arm play. it was thought up by someone name of CaptainNemo12 on rcuniverse. Here's the whole post below

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/rc-tank ... -22-a.html

The problem can be traced to one issue: there is too much space between the pivot hole in the suspension arm. and the pivot bolt.
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Tightening the pivot bolt won't fix it. The play has to be removed insofar as possible, by adding some sort of bushing here. So far as I know, no one makes these so they have to be fabricated somehow.

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First an image of how the arms should be. If they are not straight like this, then we can make a bushing so the suspension arms will move only up and down how they are supposed to, and not bend outwards. Adding the bushings is easier said then done, to me at least...it's thousandths of an inch/MM and what's more, we will probably have to make several of them- maybe even 16 :S . (If only a few suspension arms have slop and the others work ok, why do all 16 arms - I wouldn't. )
The author of the post says he added the bushing by rolling in thin brass sheet inside the hole in the susp. arm. I looked in several stores and could not find brass stock this thin. This is the suspension arm after shim was added - it's barely visible.
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Just for an experiment I cut up a soda can and made a strip for the bushing. After several attempts I did succeed in shimming one of the arms. Aluminum can metal, of course, is poor material for a bushing so that's getting redone...I think making the bushing is the only challenge of this whole fix.

So the picture below shows, top arm, original with no shim added. Bottom arm, shim added. On the bottom one the arm can no longer bend outwards so it will work correctly and so will its attached road wheel.
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If this helps someone or you figure out an easier, or better way to make the bushings, please comment!
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Re: To fix play in Panther Susp.- How to Make the Bushings?

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For the Bushings Mark...just get some KD or similar brass or copper hollow round stock .... you have a dremel right....measure the hub of the wheel ..mark the round stock ...then get those carbide cutters ...and cut them to length... chase the ends with a file and you should be good to go ;)

ALPHA

PS...You can also us TX antenna :D
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Re: To fix play in Panther Susp.- How to Make the Bushings?

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Ha Alpha Tx ANTENNA NO WAY...I have so many of these useless Rx antennas, once i wised up and switched to 2.4 - i could make a yardstick or too..think i will try that!
But-but-isn't the antenna too wide? You must mean only the last or second section right.

I did one more of the suspension arms last night, I wound up finally using just a 1/32 wide inch section of brass .22 shell case (empty). Its tough and thin but again the wrong dimension so I cut them up with metal shears. And then you have to size and hand fit each and every one.

That's the trouble-I don't want to drill out the susp arm and i don't want to remove any metal from the bolt either, and the gap is small. So that means nobody is going to have anything even close that will fit as a bushing as is, you will be cutting or grinding something and you might even be doing that 16x, which to most people is a bit of a drag.
A smart person could make some bit of money, making either these tiny shims, or maybe even making the pivot bolts but just .5 a MM wider so that arms would fit tighter (or reducing the hole inside dia. in the metal arms themselves, even the mato aftermarket arms have too much slop-WHY?? did they not fix that when they had a clean slate anyway? If they'd made the pivot hole too small you could have drilled it out a fraction of an inch big deal-removing material is generally a snap but adding material? Not so much)
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Re: To fix play in Panther Susp.- How to Make the Bushings?

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Marc780 wrote:Ha Alpha Tx ANTENNA NO WAY...I have so many of these useless Rx antennas, once i wised up and switched to 2.4 - i could make a yardstick or too..think i will try that!
But-but-isn't the antenna too wide? You must mean only the last or second section right.

I did one more of the suspension arms last night, I wound up finally using just a 1/32 wide inch section of brass .22 shell case (empty). Its tough and thin but again the wrong dimension so I cut them up with metal shears. And then you have to size and hand fit each and every one.

That's the trouble-I don't want to drill out the susp arm and i don't want to remove any metal from the bolt either, and the gap is small. So that means nobody is going to have anything even close that will fit as a bushing as is, you will be cutting or grinding something and you might even be doing that 16x, which to most people is a bit of a drag.
A smart person could make some bit of money, making either these tiny shims, or maybe even making the pivot bolts but just .5 a MM wider so that arms would fit tighter (or reducing the hole inside dia. in the metal arms themselves, even the mato aftermarket arms have too much slop-WHY?? did they not fix that when they had a clean slate anyway? If they'd made the pivot hole too small you could have drilled it out a fraction of an inch big deal-removing material is generally a snap but adding material? Not so much)
WAY!!!! :haha: Use the TX antenna only if it fits...I used them on my Taigen hull used two diameters creating a double sleeve ...and yes they were the outer two for wheels :D smaller for the arm either the third or second to the last ;) ...You also have to over bore the hole a little... it won't affect the strength of the wheel/arm at all ...in some cases all I use is a rat tail file (jewelers )....and slowly file and fit till the sleeve fits in nice and snug ;)

ALPHA

ps..the use of TX antenna came to me by accident lol... as I was working on a tank late at night...didn't want to wait till the next day to source some...stared at some antenna I had already cut for a different project... and the rest is history :haha: :haha:
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