HL Abrams detailing build

[greengiant]

Still can't find it but I know its here somewhere. Really need to go though all the old paperwork that I have filed all over my office bedroom every since I put the computer in here and do some major shredding of stuff I haven't looked at in over 15 years.
The only things I have left from my service days are the shirt from the uniform I was wearing, and the final discharge paperwork. Also have all the previous discharge fancy papers that the army sent my dad every time I reupped.
Wish I would have stayed in for a full twenty.

[ALPHA]

Still can't find it but I know its here somewhere. Really need to go though all the old paperwork that I have filed all over my office bedroom every since I put the computer in here and do some major shredding of stuff I haven't looked at in over 15 years.
The only things I have left from my service days are the shirt from the uniform I was wearing, and the final discharge paperwork. Also have all the previous discharge fancy papers that the army sent my dad every time I reupped.
Wish I would have stayed in for a full twenty.

LOL...No Problem Giant...don't wear yourself out...searching for stuff stored away can be stressful lol...I am still frustrated about not being able to locate my scratch built 1/35 Chaffee I wanted to show Fynsdad...I know it's somewhere...I can even picture the box it's stored in...thing is ...stuff has moved here and there over the years....I know I have it...just don't know where lol...so take your time ..you have two KTs to work on...this is definitely not a priority

ALPHA

[ALPHA]

Hey Giant... I had this piece of artwork out...did it about 6 yrs ago...have always been a fan of the P40 and the flying tiger group...found a couple of dough boy helmets at a thrift store....looked up the serial numbers...this one isn't so rare so decided to do a little restoration ALPHA style



Hadn't done it in awhile...you can see the rust in the handy work

ALPHA

[greengiant]

Hey that's pretty neat.
I have an old helmet like that sitting in my basement. I think it was issued to air wardens around here during ww2 and its inside headband is pretty much rotted and rusted away. My brother picked it up when he used to drive a recycling truck (politically incorrect to call it a garbage truck anymore). It was white and not that rusty on the outside so I just spayed it od and hung it on the wall behind what used to be my bar.

[ALPHA]

Hey that's pretty neat.
I have an old helmet like that sitting in my basement. I think it was issued to air wardens around here during ww2 and its inside headband is pretty much rotted and rusted away. My brother picked it up when he used to drive a recycling truck (politically incorrect to call it a garbage truck anymore). It was white and not that rusty on the outside so I just spayed it od and hung it on the wall behind what used to be my bar.

The headbands are hard to get on those....I was lucky...when I found them in the thrift store...apparently the person who donated them had replaced both...they were repos but come to find out..even the repros are kind of hard to find...this one was pretty beat ...dented all over the place...had to hammer and dolly the whole thing till it was relatively smooth and contoured again...the other helmet is also an air warden's helmet had the original decal on it...but the serial number indicated that that one was very rare...left that one as is....this one I didn't feel was worth much in the condition it was in...and apparently it was a common production number....restoring it to me anyway...was the best way to bring the value up a little and make a nice display piece

ALPHA

[greengiant]

Hard to believe that that was the best in US helmet design at the start of ww2. But I guess that was the isolationist mindset of the American people and it took ww2's attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor to get us moving on upgrading just about everything. I have a pic of my dad standing next to our one of the main in use tank of that time, that Looks like a copy of the old Italian light or maybe French tank, that our troops were training with before that day.

[ALPHA]

Hard to believe that that was the best in US helmet design at the start of ww2. But I guess that was the isolationist mindset of the American people and it took ww2's attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor to get us moving on upgrading just about everything. I have a pic of my dad standing next to our one of the main in use tank of that time, that Looks like a copy of the old Italian light or maybe French tank, that our troops were training with before that day.

I have a WW1 version...it was my Grand dad's....very different in design...the WW1 version is not only heavier gauge steel...but covered with a concrete layer...it's heavy....this one is very light weight...guess it wasn't really made for complete protection ...but more for mobility ...a small caliber bullet could probably penetrate it...but with that said..they are very cool and nostalgic
Those old tanks are really something aren't they...so cramped ...don't know how those tank crews did it back then...It really makes you wonder if they "were" another breed of soldier


ALPHA

[greengiant]

The helmet I have might not be penetrated by a 22 or other lead bullet but anything with a full metal jacket I'm sure would fired from almost any angle. The later helmets accept for the addition of a separate liner went unchanged until well after Vietnam and although they offered better protection to a larger area of the skull they offered little better protection against high velocity shrapnel or full mental jacket rifle rounds. I fired some lead 45 cal rounds I reloaded into one of the steel pots I have and none would penetrate completely just left a big dent. FMJ 45 rounds did penetrate or get stuck in the helmets steel at up to about 30 yrds but few made it much farther and damaged the liner. Military fmj rounds would go though both sides of the helmet and liner at 100 yds.
I wouldn.t want my head to be inside. The Kevlar helmets in use today I presume offer much better protection

Those tanks are cool, they were really only designed to protect against small arms and light machine gun fire with maybe an inch of hardened steel plate as armor. Those tankers had to be pretty brave to advance on an enemy that might have had even a heavy machine gun waiting to ambush them. I think they were definitely a different bred of tanker. Todays tanker has some pretty impressive armor protection even compared to the plain steel armor of the tanks I worked on.
When I was at Fort Riley Kansas I had to catalog all the captured small arms weapons sent back by the 1st infantry Division units in Vietnam that they intended to place in the museum on base. One was what from a distance looked like a regular bolt action single shot rifle but up close was ww1 era anti tank rifle that looked like new, of something I think just a little larger then 50 cal. Heavy as hell but I sure wouldn't want to be the person shooting it one shot at a time at even a ww1 or any other tank as it moved toward me.

[ALPHA]

The helmet I have might not be penetrated by a 22 or other lead bullet but anything with a full metal jacket I'm sure would fired from almost any angle. The later helmets accept for the addition of a separate liner went unchanged until well after Vietnam and although they offered better protection to a larger area of the skull they offered little better protection against high velocity shrapnel or full mental jacket rifle rounds. I fired some lead 45 cal rounds I reloaded into one of the steel pots I have and none would penetrate completely just left a big dent. FMJ 45 rounds did penetrate or get stuck in the helmets steel at up to about 30 yrds but few made it much farther and damaged the liner. Military fmj rounds would go though both sides of the helmet and liner at 100 yds.
I wouldn.t want my head to be inside. The Kevlar helmets in use today I presume offer much better protection

I think that dough boy helmet would take a 22 ...but not anything larger...a 38 at close range would easily blow a hole in it...the metal isn't as thick as a field issued model....no wear near that of the WW2 helmets of the day...still have one...it was my dad's...it's missing the liner...but the outer shell is still intact pretty durable...much better than the Vietnam versions which I also have from basic ...interesting thing is you can see how they used the helmet for cooking...the WW2 helmet I have you can tell where ..for lack of a better term...stewed in it lol...the modern K pots are much more durable...the Gen 1s (fritz) were on the heavy side...and the liner didn't offer much comfort...my last K pot...was a Gen 2...still have it lol...more comfort as the pads are more like the ones used in football helmets....and it's much lighter ....the new 2000nds and the Fast K pots are even better...though on the new Fast...there isn't as much side protection...has modular clip on poly parts fitted instead...it's ok I guess...never got to use one ..so I really couldn't say

Those tanks are cool, they were really only designed to protect against small arms and light machine gun fire with maybe an inch of hardened steel plate as armor. Those tankers had to be pretty brave to advance on an enemy that might have had even a heavy machine gun waiting to ambush them. I think they were definitely a different bred of tanker. Todays tanker has some pretty impressive armor protection even compared to the plain steel armor of the tanks I worked on.
When I was at Fort Riley Kansas I had to catalog all the captured small arms weapons sent back by the 1st infantry Division units in Vietnam that they intended to place in the museum on base. One was what from a distance looked like a regular bolt action single shot rifle but up close was ww1 era anti tank rifle that looked like new, of something I think just a little larger then 50 cal. Heavy as hell but I sure wouldn't want to be the person shooting it one shot at a time at even a ww1 or any other tank as it moved toward me.

Man those early tanks must have been like sitting in an oven lol....the cramped up space...three or four crewmen stuffed in it...it had to be a miserable existence lol...they are very cool though....just looking at all the workings primitive as they were...is pretty amazing...what's even more amazing is how those basic controls ...evolved into what we have today....I would like to see a M1 or any modern tank crew...jump into one of those old ones without air conditioning no electronic assisted anything....plonk around for a week or so lol...bet they'd climb out with a few select words

ALPHA

[greengiant]

You got that right.