Re: newish member

Ex_Pat_Tanker · Post by **Ex_Pat_Tanker** » Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:38 pm

Hi Andy,
Tanks for all the family eh?

You have a few options:
David's battle circuit (DBC) will plug straight into the existing HL S&S electronics but will set you back $150 per tank for a completed system.

Nick's unit will set you back $100 per tank but you will need to make your own mountings for the detector board. It lacks some of the sophistication of the DBC, but it does have a shutdown feature which David's system lacks.

The BSU will adapt the HL IR system to talk to Tamiya compatable systems, but it doesn't have all of the functionality of the DBC (ie it doesn't block the 'HL shuffle' when you fire). The BSU also needs a RX-18 main board, so you need to factor that in to the cost too. Off the top of my head, I think they are 28 euro's + the cost of an RX-18. I've not seen one yet, so I don't know too much about it. if it works as well as its claimed it might be a good low cost opotion for you...?

Tankzone also sell the EGS, which should work even with a non-S&S tank, but lacks a sound output. They are also rare as hens teeth - I had mine on back order for 6 months! They are 75 quid a go.

The relative merits of each of these are discussed in the IR systems post (apart from the BSU).

HTH,
Mart

littletankman · Post by **littletankman** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:52 am

Hi Mart ,
Thanks for that the BSU sounds like you say the cheepest option . Ive seen RX18 boards there about Â£20 . They look good to me as all the wireing is enclosed inside and you just clip the motors , sound , smoke etc in on clips like the speaker and smoke are now . They come with the clips to attach to the motors etc . So if that and the unit for 28 euro's does sound the best option sorry to keep asking but would this be ok if I was to battle against tanks in the clubs or does each of the systems only work with each other .

Thanks Andy

littletankman · Post by **littletankman** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:06 am

Hi Mart,
I forgot , if you dont want your German tank crew figures Im happy to take few . I wouldnt dream of selling them . Id just like a few as my stepsons Tiger has opening hatches and he would like figures in each . Thanks for the comments tho .Im of to bed soon its 01:06 here in the UK mate.

All the best Andy

Ex_Pat_Tanker · Post by **Ex_Pat_Tanker** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:13 am

Hi Andy,
As far as I can tell from the documentation Pete sent me, this system will be compatable with the rest of the club.

As I understand it, the BSU basically senses the firing trigger signal from the controller and then sends it own signal to the emitter. The emitter sends 3 signals in rapid sequence - 1 each for Tamiya compatable systems, the HL system and the WSN system. The receiver does the same thing going the other way - taking all 3 signals and sending the appropriate one to the controller. PM Pete (971wright), he knows more about it than I do and he should be able to put you in touch with the guy who sells it. If you can stomach the HL shuffle and the HL wiggle then it looks like a cost effective solution.

I've already used up all of the 6 FCC approved 27MHz channels, so I'm confined to either El-Mod or the DBCRC2HL with either 75MHz ground frequency or 2.4GHz radios - if you need HL transmitters or receiver boards for your Tamiya Sherman give me a yell, I have them coming out of my ears... ::)

I'll bring a few crew back with me

littletankman · Post by **littletankman** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:58 pm

Hi Mart ,
Thanks alot thats very nice of you just at the moment im out of work so moneys tight . I think the BSU system sounds like my best option but like you say I need the RX18 . What I want to do is put this BSU system into my HL Tiger I and my childrens tanks . The Sherman Im going to make like the post on here a Firefly so at least its got some chance ? I just wanted to make sure its compatible with all . Do you know if you can put the Tamiya battle system into an old version of theTamiya KT as I have one but Ive added the full option , just cant get the recoil or main gun and MG sound to work , I have engine sound and Ive ripped out all the old Tamiya controls and fitted full option turret rotation and gun elevation , well the larter when I get back to it . I have a full option to but thats on hold as I cant spend money on every project. When you have meets are children alowed ? As my son will have a HL Panther AusfG modified , Stepson HL Tiger I but at the mo its the Tikki tank but could change to a late war model , he still has the old wheels on it but Ive seen one in the 101 with these wheels and my daughter likes the Sherman that Im going to make a Firefly . Sorry about the quiz tonight ( UK time) one more question then when a Sherman hits a Tiger surley it shouldnt knock it out in one hit ? but the other way round it would be different ?is the a way you can adjust this. Just two picts of my KT the second , Ive fitted brass exhaust pipes ready for the smoke unit ( when it comes ) and the third picture can you guess what it is

?????????

Many thanks Andy

Ex_Pat_Tanker · Post by **Ex_Pat_Tanker** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:40 am

Ok, lets see if I can answer some of this

littletankman wrote: Hi Mart ,
Thanks alot thats very nice of you just at the moment im out of work so moneys tight . I think the BSU system sounds like my best option but like you say I need the RX18 . What I want to do is put this BSU system into my HL Tiger I and my childrens tanks . The Sherman Im going to make like the post on here a Firefly so at least its got some chance ? I just wanted to make sure its compatible with all . Do you know if you can put the Tamiya battle system into an old version of theTamiya KT as I have one but Ive added the full option , just cant get the recoil or main gun and MG sound to work , I have engine sound and Ive ripped out all the old Tamiya controls and fitted full option turret rotation and gun elevation , well the larter when I get back to it .

As far as I know this should be possible - unless you have a really old one with the clutch drive, as the full option system will be expecting to directly control the motor output rather than use a servo to control the speed of the tracks.
If you have a 4 channel radio I think you have to adjust the trims on the left stick to get all of the turret functions. Best thing to do is post a question in the Tamiya section of the electronics forum, as I have no experience with Tamiya stuff.

I have a full option to but thats on hold as I cant spend money on every project. When you have meets are children alowed ?

Most of the members here have kids or Grandchildren who attend these things. Can't promise that I won't teach them some new words if something breaks down tho... ::)

As my son will have a HL Panther AusfG modified , Stepson HL Tiger I but at the mo its the Tikki tank but could change to a late war model , he still has the old wheels on it but Ive seen one in the 101 with these wheels

1st company 3rd platoon and the whole of 3rd company had the 'mid' production rubber rims.

and my daughter likes the Sherman that Im going to make a Firefly . Sorry about the quiz tonight ( UK time) one more question then when a Sherman hits a Tiger surley it shouldnt knock it out in one hit ? but the other way round it would be different ?is the a way you can adjust this.

The Tamiya system allows for 4 weight classes, each with their own rate of fire and number of hits required to kill the tank. David's, Nick's and El-Mod all conform to Tamiya's specs. The BSU does not from what I have seen, Pete reported it as being fixed at 6 hits to kill, which would work for the Sherman - but technically the Tigers are classed as heavy tanks with a slower rate of fire and requiring 10 hits to kill them. Not that I guess this would be much of a problem as we don't enforce the kind of BS regulations that some of the clubs over here do

Just two picts of my KT the second , Ive fitted brass exhaust pipes ready for the smoke unit ( when it comes ) and the third picture can you guess what it is ?????????

No idea

Alright, time for this week's installment of "tales from the workshop". Pershing pair almost out of the paint shop and waiting for RX-14 boards, and a DBCHL2RC and metal gears for the M45.
Zimmerit on Tiger Hull ~50% complete. I'll post more pics in my Tiger 212 build thread...

littletankman · Post by **littletankman** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:22 pm

Hi Mart,
Thanks sorry about the quiz . Yer my Tamiya Kingtiger has the latest version motors and gear boxes as far as Im aware . I have a full option Tamiya Kingtiger to and they look the same . As for the battle system I will have to think about it a bit more I didnt fancy one hit from a Sherman and it knocked my Tiger I out ? As for the picture , I was in a WW2 living history group and a guy made a German quad 20mm AA gun . This is a magazine for it . I made 4 in total all out of plywood ! Ive made many things for them including solid replica German G43 semi auto rifles , these even had an opening trap door in the but plate . But I must state I made these before the new Violent crime reduction bill came out .Oh I like your tanks very good . Ive done some work on the Tiger today . I broke the loaders hatch , one hing snaped and being as Im so hard up I decided to fix it . I made a brass replacement hing and the piece thats on the tank as I couldnt get a hole drilled through it . I then made a brass handle for the outside of the hatch and removed the plastic centeral handle as late war ones seem to be more to the left , I then fitted to handles , turn handle and curved hanbdle to the inside of the hatch . Ive also fitted static locking mechanisms to the two front hatches.

Littletankman

Ex_Pat_Tanker · Post by **Ex_Pat_Tanker** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:33 pm

littletankman wrote: Hi Mart,
Thanks sorry about the quiz . Yer my Tamiya Kingtiger has the latest version motors and gear boxes as far as Im aware . I have a full option Tamiya Kingtiger to and they look the same . As for the battle system I will have to think about it a bit more I didnt fancy one hit from a Sherman and it knocked my Tiger I out ?

The bsu looks like it takes 6 hits to kill the tank, so no worries about the sherman killing a tiger with one hit

Davids system approximates to the Tamiya spec, and allows the the following weight classes to be selected: (with appologies to David for shamelessly reproducing his table

)
Class | Reload time | 50% speed reduction at X Hits | 75% speed reduction at X Hits | Destroyed at X Hits | Invulnerability period after restart
Super Light | 2 sec | 1 | 1 | 1 | 20 sec
Light | 3 sec | 1 | 2 | 3 | 15 sec
Medium | 5 sec | 1 | 3 | 5 | 12 sec
Heavy | 9 sec | 1 | 5 | 9 | 10 sec

Nick, El-Mod and the EGS all follow roughly the same pattern, except that Nick's circuit doesn't slow the tank down as it takes hits.
Some of the US clubs get fussy about these specs, but I don't think we are that far up ourselves...

As for the picture , I was in a WW2 living history group and a guy made a German quad 20mm AA gun . This is a magazine for it .

I thought it looked like a clip for something, just couldn't figure out what would have such a long round...

littletankman · Post by **littletankman** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:39 pm

Hi Mart I noticed on your tank the drivers vision port . Ive seen posts on here were people have opened them so I have done my one. Thanks I just want it to be correct if I was working I would go for the better option just I have to fit out four tanks unless I put a better system in mine and the cheeper option in the others . Ive got time to think on this .

all the best Andy . Im off to bed soon ,

Ex_Pat_Tanker · Post by **Ex_Pat_Tanker** » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:59 am

I'll have a look at the vision port, but it fall in the catagory of "yes its wrong - but if I mess up fixing it, will it offend my eyes more...?"

I had another read of Pete's post, 28 euro's buys you the basic version of the BSU, 68 euro's buys the version with sound support. Not sure what other differences there are. Still cheaper than the alternatives tho. Maybe you could fit out the Sherman and Panther for IR battle now with BSU's, and then buy DBC's for your Tigers later when you get back on your feet? just a thought