king tiger in winter, info needed

[Saxondog]

These are a few of the photos that might help concerning the Zimmerite issue,it is clear some have it and some do not. So is the real question did the Porsche turret versions leave the factory equipped with Zimmerite and how do we establish this? Then the issue of accurately painting a Porsche turret equipped King Tiger accurately without the coating?

I'm certain this may be an issue for some as it relates to accuracy,we do know the coating would break down over time,and that some of these tanks survived into the late stages of the war,some were re gunned with the two piece barrels after already being in combat.

So for me the issue is back to accuracy,and no paintwork based on the three known color can really be 100% accurate or inaccurate because of the field paintwork and the crews application of the paint. Back to the picture of two guys painting over one paint scheme with another in a rear area under a tree.

How many times was this done,and what was their objective? To blend in with the area they were fighting in,so it all seems accurate to me.

My next project,a Panzer IV,with a Porsche Turret,and Tiger rear exhaust, and a Panther 75mm gun using the Jagdpanther Hogs head gun mount,painted Gray with brown strips and green dots. Also using the Night vision device I never mounted on my Jagdpanther.

It's called whatever we can use to fight back without being killed before this war ends.

(comment about the French removed as it has been said it is racist and off topic,sorry no offence was intended)

It's all fun,and that's all it should ever be. Enjoy

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[streetfighterjeff]

cheers for that saxon, good vid to watch, but if you look real close it has zim on at least the hull. some other good vids on there as well. love the one at what looks like a tank meet. the engine sounds awesome and there is more smoke than i was expecting.

[Saxondog]

Thanks,Smoke was a debated issue as well, My solution was to portray eastern front Grossdeutschland units and of course in winter cold weather.

The zimmerite issue is difficult one to deal with,I have a Tamiya Porsche I purchased from Bubbajoe,a member here that has a fine thick coating,I also applied the Tamiya kit zim to my Henschel turret Tamiya King Tiger,the Waltersons King Tiger with Porsche Turret I am painting now will be without Zim, The Matorro King Tiger has zim already installed,I intend to paint over it and that is how I have delt with this issue and my own tanks, But really these guys did what worked best in their situation,as for the factory installing zim on every Porsche version I honestly can't say.

It is your Tank,do what you want and no one really can complain,what's the point. None of us were their,so we cannot fully say 100% of all Porsche tanks had the coating or retained it. Enjoy your build and I would be happy to help you with any information or links to the data on the forum, Their are some older post that cover many topics we are debating now,but as new people join revisiting these issues is fun,and everyone has a chance to learn. cheers Saxondog

[mustclime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsN6rY506jc This Porsche has no Zimmerite,I do believe it was used in training possibly. But it is an interesting subject to model as the details are clear. More to follow,I know we debated this before,Just can't seem to locate the post?

yes it does.....look at minute marker 1:36....the coat is just very thin....all combat active p king tigers had zimmerit. I like the drag method of putting it on, just use models putty and a broken up hacksaw blade. just pay attention on the teeth direction( should be pointing up). It does not need to be perfect, it was put on with a trawl and in a hurry.

[Saxondog]

This has been debated before, could you provide one of your links so we can verify this for all members,Not saying your wrong mind you,just want to establish this as fact.

Still believe the age and area has some bearing on the Zimmerit application or rather endurance. My Tamiya Porsche was purchased with a fine coat,it was very well done and has lasted for some time,the current Porsche in Primer has none.

I have never done this myself with the Tamiya film being an exception. It has been suggested to use tile grout,putty, and several other materials. One type of Putty I have used for other things seems to dry rather fast, the hacksaw blade would seem to be an effective tool,but the other issue I am curious about is the area's. All vertical surfaces only?

[Saxondog]

The other thing is the mines,why not just throw them onto the flat hull surface and run like hell? If your close enough to sit it on the tank it seems your close enough to just toss it onto the flat top hull section,and run like hell?

[Saxondog]

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Tamiya Zimmerit film,for Production turret version. Lower hull section should work for either version.

[Dietrich]

I know that in theory the ' Time ' is correct for ALL Porsche King Tigers to have zimmerit.....because it was only stopped being applied in the factory on 9th September 1944....but I have seen some photos that make me think that 'Just Maybe' a couple slipped through the net...as they were needed at the front ...NOW....what do you think of these photos
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The first and second photos are not very clear...... but the zimmerit is probably / possibly ?? there......I cannot see any signs of it.....
...........................BUT........................what about the last two ??
PARTICULARY THE THIRD PHOTO...it shows the turret in good detail even the small ring that it turned upon......BUT.....is there any zimmerit there ....there are 3 small parallel lines above the soldiers right shoulder.....but I cannot honestly say that I can see any zimmerit paste, in the photo at all......even the hull looks doubtful...there are some horizontal lines..but I think that they are 'from and in' the actual photograph itself rather than actually ON the tank.....they are too thin and uniform...
PARTICULARLY when you compare it to THIS photo which is taken from further away..but the zimmerite stands out like a sore thumb !!
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OVER TO YOU GENTLEMEN........your thoughts please..................Its a combat tank as it is camo painted and the crew are armed........but is it coated in zimmerit ??

[caddyshack]

A very interesting subject. Is it, they would have if more time were on their hands? (torwards the end)..
Love those B/W pictures. Thanks for sharing those

[Gunshy]

Off Topic

I take offense at that

Or I could just build a 1946 Panther G in French sevice with the standard paint work of white with a red cross and the crewmen all standing on top with their arms in the basic French fighting position directly over their heads

I understand it was meant in jest but I believe it to be racist.