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Postby Johnf » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:00 pm

Thanks Saxondog for putting the idea into my head. I cannot fly a plane. Probably never will as I hate the idea of crashing.

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This should keep the enemy at bay.

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Postby Saxondog » Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:04 pm

Very Nice
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Postby Johnf » Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:54 pm

Even if it never flies it's a very nice model with lots of potential for detailing. Going into storage for now.Gradually pick up the electronics. Went to a local flying club. They should be able to source a suitable second hand engine and servos. They laughed when I said it was my first plane. Not easy to fly. If I take up flying I will pick up somthing secondhand and cheap.

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Postby Dietrich » Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:22 pm

Nice Plane,
If you want to sell it cheap, send me a message, that way you can buy your wife some earings rather than 'Donating them'.... :haha: ...I must admit...that is one of MY fears about flying a model aeroplane...one mistake and all that money is wasted.....THAT is the major advantage of tanks..(and cars I suppose )...they do not fall out of the sky..or sink in the pond !!!!......Although I must admit that I do like the look of the small pulse-jet engines that you can buy. No moving parts and all welded out of stainless steel....The motor has to be mounted above the body of the plane because of the tremendous heat. They are powerful and fast and of course loud.....so since I live in France and they have such fond memories of 1940 to 1945 I thought that I would make a V1....... :haha:
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Postby Saxondog » Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:44 am

I like the V1 Idea. John,I went to YT INT. site very impressive planes,I would really like to see the construction,especially the wing?

They certainly have a large selection, really nice kits. Are you building the "D" version? Really you must,it's the perfect companion for your Tiger.
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Postby dylan9391 » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:18 pm

That would be a handful to fly although I suppose you could set the rudder and tail plane and just have it as a very fast free flight model. I flown some fast electrics like my 22.5inch RAF lightning prop pusher and it's an adrenalin filled five minutes as she disappears off into the distance so a pulse jet.....

Last of the bid spenders I treated myself to a 1/72nd scale Boulton Paul defiant and Hurricane Mk1 yesterday both from Airfix. I was shopping with the wife and managed to find a model shop. so while she was trying 100's of clothes I found refuge in Modelzone.

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Postby Johnf » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:55 pm

I know the D version would be a better companion for the Tiger period wise but I prefer the look of the B. Looks more menacing. Construction is very solid and nice matt finish. Almost ready to fly is a bit optimistic on the manufacturers part. There is quite a lot of work to do on it. The YT International brand is marketed in US as ESM and Hobby Planet in Europe.
Here is a link where you can see the kit in detail including full build instructions.

http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/items/ES ... 7B-80.html

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Postby dylan9391 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:43 am

It's a nice model and really good paint finish as you'd expect. Still plenty to do to keep it interesting. I've not flown an r/c German plane, but with the generous wingspan and markings at least it will be a lot easier to orientate when you do eventually get to fly it. If you are after a cheap and cheerful starter model go for a foam cessna type. For under a hundred it usually comes with everything you need to get airborne and the servos are usually removable to stick into something else. I only paid about £70 for my foam cessna some three, or four yrs ago and it's good and remarkably tough. For it's size and weight it flies quite well and also stable. The undercarriage is the weakest link on that one though. Also buy an r/c simulator if you haven't got one already and you'll soon be dive bombing on purpose. I've got two both from realitycraft at twenty quid each. One for helicopters and the other aeroplanes. It's got a BF109 as one of the r/c option planes as well as the Spitfire and others including the Bell rocket.

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Postby Johnf » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:56 am

Thanks for the advice Dylan. There are a couple of flying clubs near me. I was looking at some cheap cessnas. Also looking at some of the simulators. I will check out the one you mention. Great planes do a very impressive sounding one but a bit expensive. The flying clubs here will give all lessons for free. My local club has a few good warbird flyers. The Stuka will be a project for future. Maybe winter as it is easy to work on it indoors. Still kept busy with my 1/6 Tiger for the present. Over time I will gather the other parts like prop, spinner, engine,servos. I would like to fit a 3 blade prop for scale appearance but notice most fly with a two blade. Do you know what the difference is?

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Postby dylan9391 » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:14 pm

I don't know if there is a difference apart from the fact that r/c aeroplanes generally have two for flying and then you change the propellor for a three bladed scale one for on the ground judging. I know you can fly with three as a friend has built numerous multi engined aircraft with three, although on his mosquito he did have one propellor contra rotating to the other which made it easier for take off as the tail didn't swing around as much. Model planes and real ones swing a lot on take off and can have you in circles and crashing before you've gone anywhere. The winter is an ideal time for that aeroplane and I am determined to finsh my Typhoon ready for the Spring so that I can do some tank hunting.

I did see another simulator in RCME Magazine, which was quite reasonably priced and I'll post the name of it later. It's good joining a club as they can help you with the set up and everything and you'll be flying in no time. It does get addictive though.

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Postby Saxondog » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:00 am

Too many War-birds to choose from, excellent link and the Winter Stuka "D" would be my plane of choice.Also the FW190 is very nice.I was surprised to see the Swordfish Bi-Plane as I have never seen this as a working RC Aircraft.
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Postby Johnf » Tue Jul 12, 2011 4:08 am

I was torn between the Stuka and ME109 but the cost of retractable undercarriage swung it in favour of the Stuka. Black Horse also produce an excellent Stuks in same size as YT and much cheaper.

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Postby dylan9391 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 7:50 am

A lot of planes do end up as plans but of course you have to cut out and make your own parts. The Swordfish is available in a few different scales in that form although agree that it would make for a very stable and a nice flying model, in much the same was as the tiger moth is. The only thing is that the tiger moth has longevity and numerous livery choices which makes it attractive for model manufacturing companies.

Back to the Stuka I also think that Guillows used to make a tissue and balsa model for this aeroplane designed for rubber band power free flight model which was also suitable for control line and radio control. A bit more laborious to make with having to cut out the printed parts and then tissue cover it, but would also make for a nice model. I've built a Spitfire and Hurricane from this company some yrs ago as free flight models. The Hurricane was better than the Spitfire as I had got the centre of gravity wrong on the Spit and just couldn't get it to glide properly. Also every crunching landing on the Spit seemed to tear the tissue. The Hurricane was great, but was damaged in a house move.

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Postby dylan9391 » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:22 am

P.S. I had a quick look at the Guillows website and while they do a number of different aeroplanes in 1/16 scale including the BF109, Spitfire etc they don't do the Stuka. I also noticed that they laser cut the parts in this scale, which saves a bit of cutting out. The Stuka is in 1/32nd scale. I suppose the plan could be increased, or just cut out the parts and enlarge them at the copy shop to the size you need, or hang it from the ceiling. Seeing your aeroplane John I wouldn't mind having a go at a Stuka as I have not made one since a Matchbox aeroplane kit in the 70's.

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Postby Johnf » Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:47 am

Last Stuka I built I was 12. 1/24 Airfix. My dad never understood why I always went for the german stuff. He was always pushing me towards the Sutherland Flying boat. He was crew on one of those and loved them. I might do one in his memory. See if I can find some photos with his planes markings.

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Postby Saxondog » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:29 am

Their was a post last year on the 1/16 scale Guillows kits,there is an older Stuka by them but not sure of the scale. Many of their kits are nice and weil engineered. But they do require a certain patients and that seems to be my problem with many kits.

That being said the Great planed Fokker DRI would be my choice as a wood framed kit. Almost complete yet enough left to assemble to make it interesting,flying I will leave to you guys. I will just be content to watch.

John this other Stuka is from Black Horse? Do you know if it is foam construction?
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Postby Saxondog » Wed Jul 13, 2011 4:45 am

Checked out the site for Black Horse Models, the Stuka offered seems very well designed and built on a plywood/Balsa frame. Several parts to assemble,yet the instructions are very clear and the parts numbering seems accurate and the parts are described by name as well as number.
All I can say is I want one,or maybe two? But Christmas is a long way off.
http://www.blackhorsemodel.com.vn/produ ... uka5.5.pdf
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Postby panzerfahrer » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:29 am

Dietrich wrote:Nice Plane,
If you want to sell it cheap, send me a message, that way you can buy your wife some earings rather than 'Donating them'.... :haha: ...I must admit...that is one of MY fears about flying a model aeroplane...one mistake and all that money is wasted.....THAT is the major advantage of tanks..(and cars I suppose )...they do not fall out of the sky..or sink in the pond !!!!......Although I must admit that I do like the look of the small pulse-jet engines that you can buy. No moving parts and all welded out of stainless steel....The motor has to be mounted above the body of the plane because of the tremendous heat. They are powerful and fast and of course loud.....so since I live in France and they have such fond memories of 1940 to 1945 I thought that I would make a V1....... :haha:
Well that wouldn't bother the French, all the V1s and V2s only came our way.
You better check your local laws if you plan to use a pulse jet, in some countries they are illegal, this is due to the noise factor plus they have no means of speed control, you light it up and hang on to your hat, they are usually used in tethered boats or cars, anyway you would need Giros to control roll and pitch, a very unstable platform. :{ just realised you were joking. :{

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Postby dylan9391 » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:47 am

Laws aside and gyros it would be one hell of a sight to see the rocket go off though. I was hoping to work outside today on my aeroplane, but clucking bells it's raining, so it's back into the cramped garage!! I so need an awning that I can erect the fuselage bit in the back garden. Sax was talking about the Guillows balsa models and I've bought a 1/32 scale Lancaster kit. It's an Easy Built models kit (allegedly) and while I was looking at the parts yesterday it looks as if they have borrowed the wheels and some other fitments from one of the Guillows kits. I am planning on making it as a half cut away model.

I like the Sunderland and do have a plan of one with a 72 inch wingspan, but like many plans that I have, if they ever see the light of day as a model is another thing. I've only got one German Tank and that's a 1/6 hetzer in two halves as a fibreglass pattern, but I haven't taken the mould yet.

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Postby Johnf » Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:41 pm

Saxondog,

The Black Horse has some great reviews and is good value. A lot less work to do than the YT. Paint job looks a bit shiney but sure you can fix that.

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