761st Tank Battalion M4A3 in the Ardennes

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Mithras wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 12:16 am Oh! Good! That's very good to know. So, if I didn't want to take it apart (I probably will, but good to know), I could simply spray the whole thing without many worries? (I assume I'd want to mask off the LED emitter in the gun tube.)
The biggest difference between painting, weathering and detailing static models as opposed to RC is that RC stuff needs to turn, spin, elevate, roll, work, etc. So many times with heavy weathering IE, Mud/Snow it's best to do it in pieces. At the very least remove the tracks and maybe the wheels and sprockets. But there's no issue painting a tank when it's in one piece. Ya just gotta move the turret, barrel, wheels, tracks, etc. And yes ya need to mask stuff off, lights and IR emitters/sensors.

The Shermy guys can suggest paints and colors. All I see is green when I look at them... :haha:

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Son of a gun-ner wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:36 am
Ad Lav wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:16 am Holy moly that’s a lot of quoting! Makes for difficult reading!

Good luck with the build, show us what your made of.

Photos wouldn’t go amiss ;)
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jarndice wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:49 am My first tour in Germany we were allocated the Eifel area which is the German side of the Ardenne as our defensive zone against the Soviet armed forces,
Both areas are thickly forested which because of its wartime history makes the foresters jobs a nightmare,
Most of the mature trees have to be felled by hand because inevitably a Chainsaw will break as it strikes a mortar fragment or artillery schrapnel or rifle bullets,
Driving offroad is a pain because the "Dragonsteeth" that were layed down in the last unpleasantness are still there,
As far as we were concerned and this applied to the German army of the day it is a brilliant natural defensive area and I will watch with interest your views as you explore the history of the 761st combat history in the Ardenne.
That's fascinating. I had no idea, but I suppose it makes sense given the history of the place!

I hope to give you all something interesting to look at, if nothing else!
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So, a few updates. Nothing major. Catching up with comments, first. Apologies for the stream of consciousness format this time!

"The biggest difference between painting, weathering and detailing static models as opposed to RC is that RC stuff needs to turn, spin, elevate, roll, work, etc. So many times with heavy weathering IE, Mud/Snow it's best to do it in pieces. At the very least remove the tracks and maybe the wheels and sprockets. But there's no issue painting a tank when it's in one piece. Ya just gotta move the turret, barrel, wheels, tracks, etc. And yes ya need to mask stuff off, lights and IR emitters/sensors."

Seems like the only emitter I can see via visual inspection is the one in the gun tube, and the sensor would be the apple. I suppose I should mask off the antenna too? Very small on the Sherman, compared to the whip antenna on the wife's Challenger II.

"The Shermy guys can suggest paints and colors. All I see is green when I look at them... :haha:"

The thing about dye and pigment mixes is that they are never exact. Never. Once one batch of paint is done. You know that, of course. I just find it fascinating that every hobbyist seems to have their go- to for the best color in regards to US armor. I try to get it "right," but... I once asked my Uncle about the base color of Honved tanks, properly painted. I pointed to a few different colors, and he simply said, "Yes." ;) I think that alleviated some of my anxiety about painting at the time.:)

The paint scheme used by the 761st in the Ardennes is quite interesting. It's more or less the whitewash method, but in this case the coat seems to be markedly thinner than I've seen elsewhere. I suspect this is because it was applied in a hurry. When you deal with something like Russian or Finnish winter camouflage, you often see that the real stuff almost seems to have been applied with something with the texture of a sponge. I'm sure they used mops/brushes/brooms too, but the coat of winter camouflage seems somehow thicker. The whitewash on the 761st tanks is carefully spaced around most of the major markings, so you'll see the Allied star picked out surrounded by a halo of green that is sloppily bordered by white. I actually think the whole thing will be a lot of fun to paint. I've painted lots, and lots, probably too many, of winter tanks, and I've always enjoyed the process. Something about it being more accurate to do things less precisely;)

I properly tested the Sherman today, and the wife got her Challenger II running as well. I must say I'm pleased. She feels that both handle well, but that the Sherman, being a lighter model, seems to maneuver more easily. I would tend to agree. My only complaint, and it's something I'm sure can be modded when I've got more experience, is that the Sherman is awfully fast, as fast as the Challenger, which seems... wrong somehow. I know this is a common complaint, but it's an interesting thing to observe in action. Otherwise, they're great fun.

All seems to be working, anyhow. No problems with the components, thus far. One concern is that there seems to be a clicking sound as the turrets revolve. For her turret, it seems to make more of a noise when the turret is rotated to the right, viewed straight on. Mine makes a clicking noise irrespective of direction. These were both provided with 360 degree turrets, so maybe it has something to do with the modified servos?

(On an only distantly related note: I don't have FPV, though her tank does, and when she gets it up and running I'll try to give a report to you all elsewhere.)

My next step will be to start to crack it open, get a look at the electronics, and decide what needs to be pulled or masked prior to painting. What can be removed without the need for resoldering, what can simply be unplugged and plugged, etc. In the meanwhile, I've got stencils on order from Rad. He's done a few different designs for me, and very kindly worked with me to come up with something accurate and evocative.

I've selected the name "Hellfighter" for the vehicle, and because 105s had five crew, I've come up with names for all of them. There are pictures of 761st tanks with crew names stenciled approximately where the individuals in question would be seated or positioned within the tank, so I'm going to -try- to do that, but that might not be practical with so much whitewash. We shall see. "Julia" from the Bulge at least seems to have the names of her driver, her hull radioman/gunner, and her commanding NCO (a Corporal, though another tank names a Sergeant) stenciled in their respective positions, but the other two crewmen's names don't appear.

I'm also looking at the various mods I'd like to do to increase accuracy. I've thought about replacing some of the plastic pieces with metal options, and at the very least I'd like to give her a proper load of stowage and personal effects. There will also be a model inbound to represent Sgt. Brotherton or one of the other GI's, which will be nice. I'm not sure what to think of the stowage and crew that arrived from HL. The stowage is certainly far more extensive than I expected, but some of it seems to be "off" (which makes sense, it is a toy after all, albeit a very nice one.) It, further, seems to me that the tank commander model they've provided is somehow out of scale with the rest of the model, but in my defense the only other model in scale I have is the static Ultimate Soldier/Forces of Valor Panther, whose commander model is of slimmer proportions.

I'm open to your suggestions on realism mods and details, regardless. I don't claim to be an expert on the Sherman, and I look forward to learning more as time goes on!

I've no photos at present. All pedestrian stuff thus far, I'm afraid, but I will get some photos of the model as I start to (carefully) take it apart for modification.
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I cannot comment on the Sherman as I have no experience with them. The problem with the Challenger turret may be the same as mine had. It was simply a tight spot in in the toothed ring that holds the turret to the hull, and provides the rotation. The drive unit has a clutch in it and the friction can be just enough to cause the clutch to slip. I just watched mine and eased off by half a turn, one of the fixings at the tight spot.
There will be six or eight screws that need removing to release the upper hull, and you will see the turret drive ring. You do not need to disconnect any of the wiring. Operate the turret and at the point you where it is tight, the clutch will kind of slip a tooth. Ease the fixing screw nearest to the clutch. It might just be tight as it is new and a few sessions running it and turning the turret it will ease. Hopefully this helps?
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Meter rat wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:50 am I cannot comment on the Sherman as I have no experience with them. The problem with the Challenger turret may be the same as mine had. It was simply a tight spot in in the toothed ring that holds the turret to the hull, and provides the rotation. The drive unit has a clutch in it and the friction can be just enough to cause the clutch to slip. I just watched mine and eased off by half a turn, one of the fixings at the tight spot.
There will be six or eight screws that need removing to release the upper hull, and you will see the turret drive ring. You do not need to disconnect any of the wiring. Operate the turret and at the point you where it is tight, the clutch will kind of slip a tooth. Ease the fixing screw nearest to the clutch. It might just be tight as it is new and a few sessions running it and turning the turret it will ease. Hopefully this helps?
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Both tanks use essentially the same gearbox and motors, so give similar performance. The Sherman is over scale top speed and the Challenger is under scale top speed. The Sherman can be slowed down by using Button G and holding down the right hand control. The challenger I am afraid takes a lot more work. It is a big model to start with and the 380 motors aren’t really powerful enough. This is true of most modern tanks.
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Mithras wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:49 am
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Son of a gun-ner wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:27 pm
Mithras wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:49 am
That's very kind of you. Thanks! Still learning this interface. "Are you a scientist?" Yes... but my knowledge ends with vacuum tubes;)
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Son of a gun-ner wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 12:27 pm
Mithras wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:49 am
That's very kind of you. Thanks! Still learning this interface. "Are you a scientist?" Yes... but my knowledge ends with vacuum tubes;)
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