Calling All Panther G Experts: Historical Accuracy Questions

[STHV]

Here is an Ambush camo Panther G with Zimmerit


Ambush camo was first applied 19th August 1944. Zimmerit stopped being applied on 7th September 1944 and later in September a small batch of MAN Panthers were fitted with the steel tired roadwheels so i don't think the two would have coincided and I cannot find any images or references of any steel wheel Panthers with zimmerit
The extra roadwheels were almost entirely down to the crew/unit etc so unless you are doing a specific vehicle go nuts basically
The road wheels would have been painted in single colours of RAL 7028 Dark yellow, RAL 8017 red-brown and RAL 6003 Olive-green
I can only find mounted MG42's on halftracks so i doubt any would have been mounted on a tank as the AA machine guns were typically cross compatible with the coaxial or bow machine guns
The curved exhaust hoods where introduced in late January 1945, the flame mufflers were introduced in October 1944
You would also have to replace the Idler wheel with the earlier version as the self cleaning idler was introduced in October 1944

If you want to get this Panther as accurate as possible get a copy of Panzer Tracts 5-3, it has tons of diagrams for all the external components and has a section going through when modifications were added

[Tiger6]

^ That's one of the photos of the MHN Panthers I was looking at. You can see the disk pattern quite clearly around the turret and between the exhaust stacks.

[Herr Dr. Professor]

Wow, Eric, you started an edumacational thread here. It’s your Panther G, so go with your own desires. To me, it’s the learning that counts: make it unique or historically impeccable. Either way in the end you get bragging rights about what you know is accurate or inaccurate.

[HERMAN BIX]

https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/media/a-k ... 29910/full

Heres a G with a Zim turret and none on the hull...............a repair job prior to BOTB perhaps ?

[Tiger6]

No, that came direct from the factory like that. The Turret shells had zimmerit applied prior to assembly to the hull, and they had more turrets done than hulls when the order came to stop.
The Duel in the Mist series documents 3 or 4 Panthers of 1st SS Pz Div with zimmerit on the turret only during the battle of the bulge, all newly built, from a mixture of MAN, MNH and Daimler (This particular one is a Befehlspanther, produced by MAN - identifiable by the serial number on the Glacis plate).

Roddy MacDougall and Martin Block's book states that there was very little in the way of factory rebuilds done, the German system simply did not produce significant quantities of spare parts with which to fix them - all available parts were used to build new tanks. Off the top of my head, they state only about 180 tanks total were returned to MAN for rebuild, but progress was very slow.

[HERMAN BIX]

So that gives the loophole to have a turret with Zim on a hull without Zim, but perhaps with later exhausts, spare roadwheels where was convenient for the crew, and a Hinterhalt camo paint job on some of it at least, if not all........

Just build it Mr EAO, as you can see, there is sufficient historical 'fog' so as to allow you to build a tank you want(and I can see the want) without concern for judgement of historic plausibility.............Hells Bells, I did a Panther with Rockets hanging off the sides of it, just to see if it COULD have worked
If I got any flak over that concept at the time I would have told them to bash it in their clacker

Get on with it mate & please keep us all in on the caper while you do

Can't wait

[HERMAN BIX]

[quote="STHV"]Here is an Ambush camo Panther G with Zimmerit


Lovely picture...................a better back end than Giselle Bundschen

[Biasphere1]

Yo EAO join the game War Thunder and have a look at this tank in the German tree and you'll be amazed at the accuracy of their models.
Ambush camo can be seen in the (google) Hinterhalt-Tarnung camo here is something from another site .https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx? ... e%20canopy.

There's heaps of stuff there on the google.You'll see real tanks to as a to go by thing.

[STHV]

Yo EAO join the game War Thunder and have a look at this tank in the German tree and you'll be amazed at the accuracy of their models.
Ambush camo can be seen in the (google) Hinterhalt-Tarnung camo here is something from another site .https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx? ... e%20canopy.

There's heaps of stuff there on the google.You'll see real tanks to as a to go by thing.

The war thunder models are awful, the only accurate one is the Ersatz M10. I have even recently submitted a bug report just on the Ausf D and that alone took ages because of how much is wrong

[Biasphere1]

Yo EAO join the game War Thunder and have a look at this tank in the German tree and you'll be amazed at the accuracy of their models.
Ambush camo can be seen in the (google) Hinterhalt-Tarnung camo here is something from another site .https://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx? ... e%20canopy.

There's heaps of stuff there on the google.You'll see real tanks to as a to go by thing.

The war thunder models are awful, the only accurate one is the Ersatz M10. I have even recently submitted a bug report just on the Ausf D and that alone took ages because of how much is wrong

They can't be too bad as many of the best 3D tank files are made from them time and again . There camo's are technically very correct as well. A great source for what the OP is after.
Remember the War Thunder people mapped and measured most every tank left on Earth to get their files and have access to most every historic technical manual on the subject as well so technically they're dam close.