Tiger Day, Sept. 2019

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Tiger Day, Sept. 2019

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Hi all,

Sorry I haven't posted or shared much since I joined. It's been a busy fall, which included a trip to England for two weeks, during which the unquestionable highlight of the trip (and maybe my life! :D ) was the Tiger Day festivities at the Bovington Tank Museum over an entire weekend in mid September. I sprang for the premium package for my partner and me (where they also include 6 hours of tours, lectures, meals, and "tank cuddling" as the museum director put it), which was expensive but worth it IMO. Tiger Day itself was great, but packed with people and quite a scene. Seeing Tiger 131 running was just awesome, but I only wish it ran longer, and that they would at least have turned the turret!

But it was the next day when we had the premium tour that was truly special. It was a small group of only about 20-25 people, and we had almost the whole museum to ourselves as it was a Sunday and not many visitors. Actually getting to clamber onto Tiger 131 and look inside, as well as a Panther, Panzer III and other vehicles was just amazing. And we had virtually all the mechanics there to answer our questions, as well as a lecture/Q&A with the legendary Mike Hayton and the museum director Richard Smith. And the food was pretty good too!

But maybe the highlight of highlights was totally unexpected. When we first arrived for Tiger Day, I was ecstatic to see a beautiful Stug III sitting out in the Arena, because, well, it's my favorite all time AFV (I won't call it a tank, 'cuz it's not!). I was expecting it to be part of the show, and was really disappointed when it just sat there through the entire show. I think the only thing it did was act as a place for the announcer to put his water bottle!

I found out the next day from one of the mechanics that it was supposed to run, but it's engine was prone to overheating and so they decided not to chance it, plus it was on loan from a private owner. But, they told me they had to drive it back to the maintenance garage at some point that day. So, by flashing the prettiest smiles I could manage, combined with just shameless begging, I got them to agree to move it after we finished our lunch, so that I could run outside and see it driving and maybe get some video. Mike Hayton was instrumental in allowing this to happen, for which I will be eternally grateful. So, here's some video from that day, starting with my favorite one, the Stug!

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One thing that struck me about Tiger 131, and also the Panzer III and Stug, was how quiet it was. I was expecting a roaring rumbling deafening sound, and though it's not exactly soft, it's nowhere near as loud as some of the British tanks like the Churchill. It is a smooth sound, almost purring, with just a touch of deep rumbling, but most of the noise seems to come from the tracks. Compare that to the Matilda, Churchill, even the Comet, all of which are loud and noisy, basically what I was expecting from the Tiger. Another thing I noticed was almost no obvious exhaust smoke from the Tiger (and the other German tanks)! What little there was quickly dissipates and most of the time it's invisible. The tracks do kick up some dust, but you can tell by the color it's not smoke. Also, there is heat distortion above the exhausts, but it's almost colorless. Hmmm, might make you rethink all those smoker units on those Tigers, huh? Once again compare that to the British tanks, which give off copious amounts of visible exhaust. I'm no expert, but is it because of the engines and fuel types? The Germans used gasoline/petrol, while the British (and Soviets) used diesel. I've always thought of diesels as noisy, smelly, and loud!

Anyway, hope you enjoy. I had a blast and will never forget the experience.

I've got some projects in progress, so hope to post some build threads soon.
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Truly wonderful videos.
I too had reserved tickets and accommodation for that event, but alas, life got in the way and had to cancel.
looks like the notorious English weather was in a good mood too.
Must have been an amazing trip :thumbup:
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Sounds like the sort of all-round experience that gets indelibly imprinted in the memory :thumbup: ... and...you also lots of bangs for those (considerable) bucks. I'm sure the outlay was worth it, and many reading this thread will likely be green with envy. :D
British WW2 tank engines were petrol-based, not diesel. As for the smoke, well, it could be that the engine in the rarest of the rare- Tiger 131- has been lovingly cared for, and handled with extreme caution, compared with the Meteor engined Brit models (Comet and Cromwell). Just a thought. :) I believe 131's engine was rebuilt relatively recently; but I'll have to check that.
Thanks for the review and pics. :thumbup:
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The Matilda 2 had a choice of either a twin engined AEC or a twin engined Leyland 6 Cylinder diesel.
131s engine was if I remember correctly rebuilt from the Tiger 11s engine in the Museums collection that was in other respects a non runner,
By the way A Tiger 1 Maybach V12 was converted to Diesel fuel but it never went into production.
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Excellent Excellent videos , thanks so much for sharing!
But it’s a dry heat!
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Great videos, it is a special place to visit :D I've had the pleasure of going there a couple of times myself, tiger 131 is truly a beast up close and in the flesh ( or metal ) :haha: glad you had a good trip and the weather played ball :thumbup:

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The Churchill, was singled out as noisy and smelly in the review, Shaun, and was petrol-engined, like the Comet she mentions. I guess I meant that the most produced British tanks in WW2- the Cromwell, Comet and Churchill, all had petrol engines, and not diesel types like WW2 Russian tanks. :)
The third tank mentioned, the venerable Matilda did indeed have a diesel engine.
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Thanks all for the replies! Yes, forgot to mention the weather, which was near perfect for the 2+ weeks we were in Dorset and then North Yorkshire. Only rained the last two days we were there, and by then we were heading back to London for the trip home. Didn't spend more than an hour in London and that was in the train station!

Thanks for all the info on British tanks and their powerplants, 43rdRecceReg and jarndice. I'm rather ignorant about the British tanks and their tech specs. For some reason I thought they mostly ran diesel. Perhaps it was because the Matilda ran first and I heard the announcer mention it, and just conflated that info to the other tanks.

I'll agree that Tiger 131 is the most babied tank in the world, run twice a year, maybe three if they include it in Tankfest. Mike Hayton said it's been running since 2004 but the first attempts were troubled and the current engine has been running since 2006, so it's been running in some form for almost 15 years. But, rest assured they take very good care of the other tanks, including the British tanks we saw running. They let us see their state of the art maintenance shop which was only just completed, with a modern version of the Strabokran, and one of the tanks being worked on was a Valentine.

Also really fun: meeting other tank enthusiasts like myself! I sat next to a Finnish gentleman who was also a Sturmgeschutz nut, and we had a great time discussing its success against Russian tanks. People traveled from as far as Japan, China, and of course, west coast USA. And everyone was grinning ear to ear. I don't think I saw one bored or unhappy face, even the spouses were thrilled and captivated.

Too bad it's rather difficult to get to, sort of in the middle of nowhere down in Dorset, and for tourists without a car it takes an effort to get there.

But, I highly, highly recommend this Museum, even for non event visits, but the events are just fantastic and should be on every armour enthusiasts bucket list.
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:thumbup:
You're very welcome, of course! On the subject of accessibility, I guess it would be difficult to have a tank proving ground in the middle of a town, or city. For this reason, Bovington is somewhat remote, just like the Munster Panzer Museum-which is also situated on a base where a Tank regiment is located.
Notwithstanding transport issues, I personally love the 'middle of nowhere' location. I live in a remote landscape myself- the Scottish Highlands- and I value the peace, and contact with Mother Nature it brings :D )
North Yorkshire is also rather lovely in Summer. My parents relocated there for while, from Glasgow, and so I saw quite a lot of Nidderdale, York, and Wharfedale as a kid. :thumbup: Catterick Barracks is N.Yorks, and has been a celebrated training location for the British Army for many decades. Yorkshire is also a great Cycling venue these days!
Do post a few more pics and videos, if you have them!
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