OK, well in the interests of Mechanical Correctness- a new variant on the odious 'Political' version, I shall amend 'Ugly' to 'Aesthetically challenged'. Also, I'm forced to admit that you posted one really fetching picture of an "Aesthetically challenged' tank there. I'm almost drawn to it, and beguiled by its allure...like the infamous 50s and 60s 'Blue woman behind a tree' picture...
Aesthetically challenged??????????????? ................
Makes me wonder what you think of this "mini me" Sort of Sherman lol...The M22 T9e2 LOCUST
Kind of cute eh
ALPHA
Small world for Mini-Me s..I posted a pic of an M22 once before, but in another context (Unused American Fireflies)...The M22 looks like a puppy whose big floppy ears, and ungainly massive paws, suggest it will grow into a respectable sized pooch. Some objects are too interesting to be ugly...er..'aesthetically challenged'.. even if they have all the makings of the grotesque (Think: Charles Bronson's face). The M22 is nicely oddball..and here it is from another angle:
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43rdRecceReg wrote:
Small world for Mini-Me s..I posted a pic of an M22 once before, but in another context (Unused American Fireflies)...The M22 looks like a puppy whose big floppy ears, and ungainly massive paws, suggest it will grow into a respectable sized pooch. Some objects are too interesting to be ugly...er..'aesthetically challenged'.. even if they have all the makings of the grotesque (Think: Charles Bronson's face). The M22 is nicely oddball..and here it is from another angle:
A perfect description lol....I agree...they are pretty cool ...not sure I would have liked being stuck in one...it'd be similar to being assigned to be a Saw Gunner a gun cool to fire...but just too damn big and heavy to lug around
I do still get a chuckle when I see these Tankettes ....It looks like a Sherman had a love fest with a Stuart
Now for some really ugly tanks
think the designer of this one was on crack ...aptly named the TV 8
The winner of the "Good but no Cigar" category The T6 prototype to the M4
This one is actually pretty cool...little larger Tankette ...the T7e2
There are some photos I've never come across...Great find Magman ...Is it me...or is the back end of the turret trimmed off to make room for the gun?
Scratch that last question lol...took a better look...and it looks like it's the lighting that makes the back end of the turret look trimmed off ...the com box is the give away lol
I have a related question about the Firefly; specifically the length of the M4A4 chassis. Alpha and I were talking about it, but couldn't come to an agreement on it. We can see from any photograph that there is more space between the 2nd & 3rd, and the 4th & 5th roadwheels than there is on an M4A3 (for example) Sherman. My belief is that the hull was lengthened somewhere in the middle, and that they centered the second bogie unit halfway between the first and third bogie units. Now, the question we have not been able to figure out is if there was any other lengthened part of the hull somewhere. Alpha thinks that the spacing between the drive sprocket and the first roadwheel, (shorter), and the spacing between the last roadwheel and the idler (longer) may be different for an M4A4 and a stock-length Sherman. It's really hard to tell from drawings and photos, but my belief is that the distances in these two areas were the same as a normal Sherman, so as not to change the angle of attack at the front or rear of the tank. Has anyone figured this out before? Thank you. -Mike
Well below you can find all US variants.
US M4 sub-types[
M4 Continental radial engine; welded hull. 75mm barrel cannon. Users: US, Britain, Poland, France.
M4(105) - Upgraded with 105mm M4 Howitzer, designed for infantry support and assault, sacrificing anti-armour capability.
M4(105) HVSS - M4(105) w/ HVSS.
M4A1
Continental radial engine; one-piece cast hull; 75mm barrel cannon. Users: US, Britain, South Africa, Poland(M4A1(76)W), France (small numbers), China
M4A1E4/M4A1(76)W - Upgraded with 76 mm M1 gun.
M4A1E8/M4A1(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76 mm M1 gun.
M4A1E9 - Late war remanufacturing, applique armor, new vision cupola and oval loader's hatch on the turret roof, spaced out VVSS suspension, extended end connectors on both sides of the tracks, but retaining the old 75 mm M3 gun. Users: Chile
M4A2
Diesel-powered with General Motors 6046 using powertrain from earlier M3A3/M3A5; first model manufactured with welded hull; 75mm cannon. Users: USSR, Britain, France, Poland, US. No US Army combat use except for DD conversions for the Omaha landings.
M4A2E4 - Upgraded with Torsion Bar suspension; never put into production.
M4A2E8/M4A2(76)W HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3
Ford GAA V-8 engine; welded hull; both 75mm and 76mm cannons used. Users: US, France (small numbers), Nicaragua (small numbers). The M4A3 was the preferred US Army vehicle.
M4A3(75) - M4A3 with 75mm M3 gun.
M4A3(105) - M4A3 with 105mm howitzer used for infantry support rather than anti-armour.
M4A3E2 Assault Tank - postwar nickname "Jumbo" - extra armour (including 1 inch on front), vertical sided turret, but about 3-4 mph slower. Built with 75mm gun but frequently re-armed by the using units with 76mm guns. Grousers fitted to the tracks. Users: US, France (one vehicle)
M4A3E4/M4A3(76)W - M4A3 with 76mm M1 gun.
M4A3E8/M4A3(76)W HVSS (Easy Eight) - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS), fitted with the 76mm High Velocity cannon.
M4A3E9/M4A3(105) HVSS - Upgraded with widetrack Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension (HVSS)[citation needed]
M4A4
Chrysler A57 engine; welded, lengthened hull; 75-mm gun only as-built. Users: Britain, France, China, Lebanon (Firefly), Nicaragua (small numbers).
Sherman Firefly/Sherman Vc - About 2,000 were re-armed by the British with their 17-pounder (76.2 mm) guns as the Sherman Firefly. (It should be noted that the Firefly variant wasn't exclusive to M4A4/Sherman V subtype, as 17-pounder gun was mounted on more Sherman subtypes.)
M4A5
No US vehicle was built with this designation; the number was meant to signify Canadian production. Known as the Ram, it was a parallel development from the M3 medium tank chassis, with an M4-like central turret.
M4A6
Caterpillar D200A turbocharged, air-cooled radial multi-fuel engine adapted from Wright G200; composite cast/welded hull lengthened similarly to the M4A4; 75mm gun only. Only 75 of this variant were built and none were used in combat.[1]
US Sherman-based vehicles[edit]
Variants without the M4 designation but built on the M4 medium chassis (While some began on the M3 chassis, some subvariants were switched to the M4 chassis during production. These are the models listed here):
105mm Howitzer Motor Carriage M7B1 - self-propelled 105 mm Howitzer Motor Carriage (HMC) based on the M4A3 Sherman chassis.
155mm Gun Motor Carriage M12 - self-propelled 155 mm Gun Motor Carriage (GMC).
Cargo Carrier M30 - Cargo Carrier (an M12 with crew and ammunition space in lieu of the gun).
155mm Gun Motor Carriage M40 - self-propelled 155 mm GMC (Either M1A1 or M2 gun) based on the M4A3 (HVSS) chassis.
8in Howitzer Motor Carriage M43 - self-propelled 8 inch HMC (standardized post-World War II).
3in Gun Motor Carriage M10 - tank destroyer based on the M4A2 Sherman chassis.
3in Gun Motor Carriage M10A1 - Same as the M10, but based on the M4A3 Sherman chassis.
90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36 - tank destroyer based on M10A1 hull (M4A3 chassis); standard model.
90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36B1 - tank destroyer based on M4A3 Sherman hull and chassis; expedient model.
90mm Gun Motor Carriage M36B2 - tank destroyer based on M10 hull (M4A2 chassis, diesel); expedient model.
M32 TRV.
M32A1B1 Armored Recovery Vehicle at the Patton Museum, 2003.
M74 Tank Recovery Vehicle.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32
based on M4 chassis with turret replaced by fixed superstructure, 60.000 lb winch and an 18 feet long pivoting A-frame jib installed. An 81mm Mortar was also added into the hull, primarily for screening purposes.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32B1 - M32s converted from M4A1s.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32A1B1 - M32B1's with HVSS, later removing the 81mm Mortar and incorporating crane improvements.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32B2 - M32's converted from M4A2's.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32B3 - M32's converted from M4A3's.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32A1B3 - M32B3's brought to the same standard as the M32A1B1.
Tank Recovery Vehicle M32B4 - M32's converted from M4A4's.
M74 Tank Recovery Vehicle
Upgrade of the M32 to provide the same capability with regards to heavier post-war tanks, converted from M4A3 HVSS tanks. In appearance the M74 is very similar to the M32, fitted with an A-Frame crane, a main towing winch, an auxiliary winch, and a manual utility winch. The M74 also has a front mounted spade that can be used as a support or as a dozer blade.
M74B1 - Same as the M74, but converted from M32B3s.
M34 Prime Mover - M32B1 TRV converted to the artillery tractor role. 24 vehicles were converted by Chester Tank Depot in 1944.
US Special Attachment variants[edit]
M4 with 105 mm howitzer and an M1 dozer blade.
Rocket-firing, flame-thrower, mine-clearing, amphibious, engineer; mostly experimental (indicated by T instead of M)
Sherman DD (Duplex drive) - Amphibious M4.
M4 Mobile Assault Bridge.
M4 Dozer - fitted with M1 (side arm) or M2 (hydraulic mount) dozer blade.
T15/E1/E2 - Series of mine resistant Shermans based on the T14 kit. Cancelled at war's end.
Mine Exploders / Mine Excavators - fitted with various mine exploding devices including plungers, rollers, mortars. Most of those remained experimental vehicles.
Mine Exploder T1E1 Roller (Earthworm) - Discs made from armor plate.
Mine Exploder T1E2 Roller - Two forward units with 7 discs only. Experimental.
Mine Exploder T1E3/M1 Roller (Aunt Jemima) - Two forward units with 5 10' discs. Most widely used T1 variant, adopted as the M1.
Mine Exploder T1E4 Roller - 16 discs
Mine Exploder T1E5 Roller - T1E3/M1 w/ smaller wheels. Experimental.
Mine Exploder T1E6 Roller - T1E3/M1 w/ serrated edged discs. Experimental
Mine Exploder T2 Flail - British Sherman Crab I mine flail.
Mine Exploder T3 Flail - Based on British Scorpion flail. Development stopped in 1943.
Mine Exploder T3E1 Flail - T3 w/ longer arms and sand filled rotor. Cancelled.
Mine Exploder T3E2 Flail - E1 variant, rotor replaced with steel drum of larger diameter. Development terminated at war's end.
Mine Exploder T4 - British Crab II mine flail.
Mine Exploder T7 - Frame with small rollers with two discs each. Abandoned.
Mine Exploder T8 (Johnny Walker) - Steel plungers on a pivot frame designed to pound on the ground. Vehicle steering was adversely affected.
Mine Exploder T9 - 6' Roller. Difficult to maneuver.
Mine Exploder T9E1 - Lightened version, but proved unsatisfactory because it failed to explode all mines.
Mine Exploder T10 - Remote control unit designed to be controlled by the following tank. Cancelled.
Mine Exploder T11 - 6 forward firing mortars to set off mines. Experimental.
Mine Exploder T12 - 23 forward firing mortars. Apparently effective, but cancelled.
Mine Exploder T14 - Direct modification to a Sherman tank, upgraded belly armor and reinforced tracks. Cancelled.
Mine Excavator T4 - Plough device. Developed during 1942, but abandoned.
Mine Excavator T5/E1/E2 - T4 variant w/ v-shaped plough. E1/E2 was a further improvement.
Mine Excavator T5E3 - T5E1/E2 rigged to the hydraulic lift mechanism from the M1 dozer kit to control depth.
Mine Excavator T6 - Based on the v-shape/T5, unable to control depth.
Mine Excavator T2/E1/E2 - Based on the T4/T5's, but rigged to the hydraulic lift mechanism from the M1 dozer kit to control depth.
T34 rocket launcher in France.
A M4A3R3 used by the USMC during the Battle of Iwo Jima.
Rocket Launchers:
Rocket Launcher T34 (Calliope) - armed with 60 4-6" rocket tubes mounted above the turret. Saw limited combat in 1944-1945.
Rocket Launcher T34E1 - T34 with 14 tubes in the 2 bottom units.
Rocket Launcher T34E2 - T34 modified to accept 7.2" rockets.
Rocket Launcher T39 - Enclosed box mount with doors, with 20 7.2" rockets.
Rocket Launcher T40/M17 WhizBang - armed with 20 7.2" rockets. Saw limited combat in 1944-45. A short variant of the T40 was also developed, but saw little usage.
Rocket Launcher T72 - T34 short tube variant. Never used.
Rocket Launcher T73 - Similar to the T40, but with only 10 tubes. Never used.
Rocket Launcher T76 - M4A1 w/ 7.2" rocket launcher in place of main gun. Never used.
Rocket Launcher T105 - M4A1 w/ rocket case instead of main gun. Never used.
Multiple Rocket Launcher T99 - 2 box mounts with 22 4.5" rockets, mounted on the turret. Never used.
Flame Throwers:
M4A3R3 Flame thrower - Also known as "Zippo tanks" or more commonly Flame tanks.
M4 Sherman Crocodile - M4 tank modified with the flamethower and fuel trailer from a Churchill Crocodile. Four built and issued to 739th Tank Battalion which was attached to the 29th Division for Operation Grenade in February 1945, where they cleared the Old Citadel in the town of Julich. After the Rhine had been crossed, they were attached to 2nd Armoured division but saw little further use.[2]
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even if they have all the makings of the grotesque (Think: Charles Bronson's face). The M22 is nicely oddball..and here it is from another angle:
...the com box is the give away lol 
