Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
- tanks_for_the_memory
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Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
More work on the rear plate
Well gentlemen, I haven't been completely idle since my last post...
More model competitions for my boys - this time Euromilitaire 2015 in Folkestone. A fantastic show as always. This was the 30th anniversary and its sobering to realize that my last competition entry was at the very first one... 30 years ago I presume! I didn't win anything then - but fast forward three decades and my lads took five golds and a bronze between them! I will post some shots of their entries on my other blog in due course...
Anyway that's enough trumpet blowing for now. back to my own limitations...
The rear plate still has plenty of frustrations in store, even after I 'conquered' the rear mud guards. And it still looks an unholy mess - can't wait to cover it all with my beloved zimmerit!
First up was the new rear towing bracket / pintle. Well I say it's for towing - I'm pretty sure I've seen some shots from Russia with Tigers towing spare fuel trailers from this. No doubt David will correct me here, but unlike some of the similar mounts on Panzer IVs, etc - which were part of the system for warming the engine using a blow torch - I don't think these had any other purpose. Instead, on the Tiger the blow torch was mounted on a detachable rhomboid plate shown above it in the shot below...
The rhomboid plate shown above it in this photo is part of the engine warming apparatus on the Tiger.
On the Heng Long Tiger there are just two stubs of plastic where the towing brackets should be. So I made mine by sanding two pieces of plastic card and drilling a hole of appropriate size. Note that the top piece is slightly thinner than that at the bottom.
Well gentlemen, I haven't been completely idle since my last post...
More model competitions for my boys - this time Euromilitaire 2015 in Folkestone. A fantastic show as always. This was the 30th anniversary and its sobering to realize that my last competition entry was at the very first one... 30 years ago I presume! I didn't win anything then - but fast forward three decades and my lads took five golds and a bronze between them! I will post some shots of their entries on my other blog in due course...
Anyway that's enough trumpet blowing for now. back to my own limitations...
The rear plate still has plenty of frustrations in store, even after I 'conquered' the rear mud guards. And it still looks an unholy mess - can't wait to cover it all with my beloved zimmerit!
First up was the new rear towing bracket / pintle. Well I say it's for towing - I'm pretty sure I've seen some shots from Russia with Tigers towing spare fuel trailers from this. No doubt David will correct me here, but unlike some of the similar mounts on Panzer IVs, etc - which were part of the system for warming the engine using a blow torch - I don't think these had any other purpose. Instead, on the Tiger the blow torch was mounted on a detachable rhomboid plate shown above it in the shot below...
The rhomboid plate shown above it in this photo is part of the engine warming apparatus on the Tiger.
On the Heng Long Tiger there are just two stubs of plastic where the towing brackets should be. So I made mine by sanding two pieces of plastic card and drilling a hole of appropriate size. Note that the top piece is slightly thinner than that at the bottom.
My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350
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Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
TFTM, I am absolutely with you on matters concerning the TOWING BRACKET, easy to make but it really adds to the back plate especially when with the aid of a pin vise you put a towing pin with chain in place,
A word of warning, I have through my incompetence broken at least 2 towing brackets when reversing.
My heartfelt congratulations to your boys, I have good memories of the previous Dioramas they displayed and rightly were rewarded for their great work.
shaun

A word of warning, I have through my incompetence broken at least 2 towing brackets when reversing.

My heartfelt congratulations to your boys, I have good memories of the previous Dioramas they displayed and rightly were rewarded for their great work.




shaun
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Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
To right, your lads are shaping up to be right "Verlindens" mate ! you must be real proud.
Funny, the Tiger in Vimoutiers, when I saw it in 09 it appeared that someone had had half a go at removing it- souvenir I guess.
Funny, the Tiger in Vimoutiers, when I saw it in 09 it appeared that someone had had half a go at removing it- souvenir I guess.
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Thanks for all the kind words - yes you bet I am proud. It's great to be able to pass on this hobby to the next generation.
Quite what will be going on in RC tanks and 1/16 scale in a few years' time - who knows.
Talking of which, whilst at Euromilitaire 2015 I did have a very interesting chat with a guy who was also at Tankfest with something VERY exciting:
This is a completely new 1/10 scale RC Tiger and there are other tanks planned...
See: http://www.battletrax.co.uk/index.php
I just had a look and it seems that no one has posted about this on this forum so far. I'm going to open up a new discussion about this right now. Please post there once you have had a look..
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=18089
Quite what will be going on in RC tanks and 1/16 scale in a few years' time - who knows.
Talking of which, whilst at Euromilitaire 2015 I did have a very interesting chat with a guy who was also at Tankfest with something VERY exciting:
This is a completely new 1/10 scale RC Tiger and there are other tanks planned...
See: http://www.battletrax.co.uk/index.php
I just had a look and it seems that no one has posted about this on this forum so far. I'm going to open up a new discussion about this right now. Please post there once you have had a look..
viewtopic.php?f=182&t=18089
My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350
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Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
More work on the rear plate
I like working with plastic. It's what I've been used to for so many years. But there are times when you just have to accept that, balls-achingly tedious as it may be to work with, metal is just the right material...
I had planned to keep my original HL exhaust shields. They are quite nicely moulded and can be made to look quite thin with a bit of sanding down along the top lip. They can even be distressed with a little work with a blow torch and rotary tool. The bolt detail is quite simplistic so I decided to replace mine with much crisper resin ones from Masterclub. These can be bought in packs of fifty or so for a reasonable price so they should last for several projects (that's at least another decade for me then!)
So was I happy with all my work? well, yes and no. The problem was that I had those lovely looking Voyager brass shields just sitting on my work bench. They come in the same set as the front and rear mudguards. Best of all they needed no soldering. Easy peasy right?
Wrong!
I found out the hard way that bending this brass into the correct curve is equally challenging as soldering the damn stuff. Then there is the small matter of working out how to attach them to the rear panel in a manner which is a) accurate and b) not likely to fall off the moment I breath on them.
That will be the subject of another post, but for now here's how one of them looked after I had finished with the bending bit:
I like working with plastic. It's what I've been used to for so many years. But there are times when you just have to accept that, balls-achingly tedious as it may be to work with, metal is just the right material...
I had planned to keep my original HL exhaust shields. They are quite nicely moulded and can be made to look quite thin with a bit of sanding down along the top lip. They can even be distressed with a little work with a blow torch and rotary tool. The bolt detail is quite simplistic so I decided to replace mine with much crisper resin ones from Masterclub. These can be bought in packs of fifty or so for a reasonable price so they should last for several projects (that's at least another decade for me then!)
So was I happy with all my work? well, yes and no. The problem was that I had those lovely looking Voyager brass shields just sitting on my work bench. They come in the same set as the front and rear mudguards. Best of all they needed no soldering. Easy peasy right?
Wrong!
I found out the hard way that bending this brass into the correct curve is equally challenging as soldering the damn stuff. Then there is the small matter of working out how to attach them to the rear panel in a manner which is a) accurate and b) not likely to fall off the moment I breath on them.
That will be the subject of another post, but for now here's how one of them looked after I had finished with the bending bit:
My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350
Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
Looks like you got it just right Tanks....it'll be ashamed when you dent it for effect ...though I think that would be another challenging task
ALPHA

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Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
Thanks Alpha.
You want dents? You got dents!
You want dents? You got dents!
My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350
Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1




this one in your other photo is a dent lol....doing this type of dent might send you back to square one...Hate going back to square one

Nice bullet holes though Tanks

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OK, I accept the challenge Alpha - I will try to trash at least one of them...
First, however, I had to make them factory fresh.
Part of the difficulty in bending the exhaust shields to the correct shape is their profile - only the rear half is curved, while the front halves need to meet the rear plate at right angles. Obviously you also have to make them the correct width.
I had a look around my modelling area, then moved on to the kitchen, but try as I might I could not find a round object of the correct diameter. Eventually I hit on the idea of using two Valejo Air paint bottles masking taped bottom to bottom and these turned out to be just right. The fact that they were also slightly flexible also helped because I could squeeze the brass over them with my fingers.
As far as the width was concerned, this was simply a matter of trial and error - constantly test fitting them and then re-bending where necessary. Eventually I has what seemed to be the right shape...
So far all well and good. Next you have to work out how to attach them to the rear plate.
The originals were bolted to raised square lugs welded to the rear plate, not unlike those used for the side mudguards. Two of these can be seen in the photo of the towing hitch above. The Voyager set provides these as photo-etch to be folded oragami-style into the square blocks. This is unnecessarily over-complicated! Instead I simply made my square lugs from plastic card.
The next difficulty is getting them in the right place. You can look at photos of the real thing all you like, but if they don't fit your shields then this is not going to work. With more trial and error I managed to get them looking OK.
First, however, I had to make them factory fresh.
Part of the difficulty in bending the exhaust shields to the correct shape is their profile - only the rear half is curved, while the front halves need to meet the rear plate at right angles. Obviously you also have to make them the correct width.
I had a look around my modelling area, then moved on to the kitchen, but try as I might I could not find a round object of the correct diameter. Eventually I hit on the idea of using two Valejo Air paint bottles masking taped bottom to bottom and these turned out to be just right. The fact that they were also slightly flexible also helped because I could squeeze the brass over them with my fingers.
As far as the width was concerned, this was simply a matter of trial and error - constantly test fitting them and then re-bending where necessary. Eventually I has what seemed to be the right shape...
So far all well and good. Next you have to work out how to attach them to the rear plate.
The originals were bolted to raised square lugs welded to the rear plate, not unlike those used for the side mudguards. Two of these can be seen in the photo of the towing hitch above. The Voyager set provides these as photo-etch to be folded oragami-style into the square blocks. This is unnecessarily over-complicated! Instead I simply made my square lugs from plastic card.
The next difficulty is getting them in the right place. You can look at photos of the real thing all you like, but if they don't fit your shields then this is not going to work. With more trial and error I managed to get them looking OK.
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My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350
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Re: Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1
More work on the rear panel...
A simple way to strengthen the rear fender attachment point
I'm still nervous about how well all this photo-etch is actually going to stay on the tank - especially if I drive it around. The rear mudguards are a case in point. Although I have added extra support underneath they are held onto the rear of the Tiger just like the real thing - with three hinges. I'm hoping that bedding them in with a little zimmerit will help, but I came up with this idea to lend them a little helping hand.
A piece of plastic card was glued to the rear of the hinges only - thus allowing the mudguard to move as it is supposed to do. After this had dried I trimmed the rear to fit the profile of the hinges. As you will see, this means that the hinges are all attached to each other while at the same time giving a much larger area to attach them to the rear panel. It remains to be seen how well they stay in place!
I expect this extra plastic strip to be practically invisible once I put on the zimmerit. In fact there is an added bonus: as the zimmerit is always going to be a little more than true scale thickness this means that the fenders will sit slightly proud of the rear plate and thus look 'right'...
A simple way to strengthen the rear fender attachment point
I'm still nervous about how well all this photo-etch is actually going to stay on the tank - especially if I drive it around. The rear mudguards are a case in point. Although I have added extra support underneath they are held onto the rear of the Tiger just like the real thing - with three hinges. I'm hoping that bedding them in with a little zimmerit will help, but I came up with this idea to lend them a little helping hand.
A piece of plastic card was glued to the rear of the hinges only - thus allowing the mudguard to move as it is supposed to do. After this had dried I trimmed the rear to fit the profile of the hinges. As you will see, this means that the hinges are all attached to each other while at the same time giving a much larger area to attach them to the rear panel. It remains to be seen how well they stay in place!
I expect this extra plastic strip to be practically invisible once I put on the zimmerit. In fact there is an added bonus: as the zimmerit is always going to be a little more than true scale thickness this means that the fenders will sit slightly proud of the rear plate and thus look 'right'...
My Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1 build thread: http://www.rctankwarfare.co.uk/forums/v ... =22&t=8350