Pootin trying to put in

[ALPHA]

Wait a second, Canada has fighter jets? WTF, when did this happen?

Bought them used from the Americans.

Ahhhhh...... that makes sense.

I kid of course hope you guys know that. Besides no one would DARE invade Canada because they may as well just invade the U.S. and that wouldn't go well for ANY army.

I saw a fun little article a few years ago and as it turns out there are more registered hunters with riffles in just the state of PA then the whole army of many countries! A lot of countries may make fun of the U.S. and our 2nd amendment but that insures that NO invading army would or could stand a chance! If anyone dared to invade our frosty friends to the north we'd come up there and help kick them out and that you can count on. Well provided Canada would let us cross the border with our guns to help them that is!

The Rooskies weapon supply is just as antiquated as Canada's.... probably worse.... So if Pooting wants to do some Shootin...it's a good chance their systems will only be Tootin hot air in their own territory

Dang there are Times I wish we had listened to Patton

ALPHA

[jarndice]

Which part of George Pattons many statements first comes to mind? perhaps the one where he expresses the desire to cover Viscount, the Field Marshall, Bernard Law Montgomery in jellied petrol and throw in a lit match? shaun

[ALPHA]

Which part of George Pattons many statements first comes to mind? perhaps the one where he expresses the desire to cover Viscount, the Field Marshall, Bernard Law Montgomery in jellied petrol and throw in a lit match? shaun

"Get them Rooskies now...while we have the momentum"..... Just think...there might not have been a Korean War...Vietnam...or many other of these new incursions...why..because they wouldn't have had the equipment

ALPHA

[jarndice]

ALPHA, I concur with the assessment of the German high command that George Patton was without doubt the Allies best fighting General BUT I would happily argue that your assessment of the rightness of his views and the impact of them in the second half of the 20th century is questionable. This Forum is ill suited to any in-depth discussion on the views and thoughts of the man, but while he undoubtedly died too young, I fear for the fate of the world if he had remained in the army in a command role, A glance at his Pacific/Korean war colleague General Douglas Mcarthur indicates the harm a senior military officer in a democracy can do if allowed free rein, I would include General William Westmorland in that comment, although his biggest failing was trying to fight a European war against guerilla soldiers semi independent of a rigid logistic and command structure whilst at the same time nursing high political ambitions. But what does this foreigner know? shaun

[ALPHA]

ALPHA, I concur with the assessment of the German high command that George Patton was without doubt the Allies best fighting General BUT I would happily argue that your assessment of the rightness of his views and the impact of them in the second half of the 20th century is questionable. This Forum is ill suited to any in-depth discussion on the views and thoughts of the man, but while he undoubtedly died too young, I fear for the fate of the world if he had remained in the army in a command role, A glance at his Pacific/Korean war colleague General Douglas Mcarthur indicates the harm a senior military officer in a democracy can do if allowed free rein, I would include General William Westmorland in that comment, although his biggest failing was trying to fight a European war against guerilla soldiers semi independent of a rigid logistic and command structure whilst at the same time nursing high political ambitions. But what does this foreigner know? shaun

Nobody is perfect... I don't agree with everything Patton did...but I don't agree with a lot of the other generals and esteemed admirals did either.... I look at it from a different standpoint....at the end of WW2 Russia and the United States pretty much were the only nations left with any military armament production... it could be said ...an offensive by either side could have changed the way the world is now.....Patton at that time knew the united states and it's allies were much stronger ...and I will go as far to say... that also at the time...we had better commanders in the field ....the Korean conflict... was backed with soviet hardware... so was Vietnam... China ( the country to really watch out for) is the same...but they just bought a few and copied them ...their AKs aren't as good as the Soviet model...but they work... but if Russia wasn't there as a military power...they would have never got the design
A lot could be said in Hind sight.... Most lead to a big WHAT IF?....It's too late now... Mostly because of the New Political climate...and of course the quest for oil...

Your focus is on the "people" military yes...but all with political aspirations....and if there is one person who some of the leaders should really listen to ...is George Santayana

who simply stated... "those who do not learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them"

War is probably the biggest mistake... the quest for power is another... it's an unfortunate thing that some of those who do hold that power...haven't studied History....Reason there will always be War...It's a sad premise...but that reality is staring us right in the face....

ALPHA

[jarndice]

My gosh sir, a first class example of pulling burnt toast from the fire But your conclusions are right on the mark, In my unworthy opinion the future can only be improved by universal education and that must include a heavy emphasis on history (local, national and international) all good things could come from that PS I should say that my further education was centred around the likes of Nietzsche which explains rather more about me than you would like to know. shaun

[ALPHA]

My gosh sir, a first class example of pulling burnt toast from the fire But your conclusions are right on the mark, In my unworthy opinion the future can only be improved by universal education and that must include a heavy emphasis on history (local, national and international) all good things could come from that

Education helps.... Problem is... what and how it is perceived .....It's interesting how normal "Joes" can comprehend history and how it affected us in the now...the unfortunate side of the flipped coin is that the ones that seem to attain power have a different view...Pootin and Kim duck... are good examples...they were taught the things that should be taught...but each in their own way twisted things... and for some reason still believe that prosperity comes from domination ...it is the reason when I read about foolish incursions.... I always think what could have been.... if we did go in post WWII and take the weapon capability away from the Soviets...and instead of re industrializing them in that direction... teach them how they could improve their economic capacities...like we did with Japan
Not sure you if you have noticed Shaun.... Most of the problems we have abroad come from those who "want"... I call them the Have nots....their leader think by grabbing up more territory ..... that soon they will "have"...they don't realize it doesn't work that way.... as it has always been a territory that is taken over becomes another burden for that country....the Germans found that out too late as their resources were slowly depleted as the ground of conquest grew...they just didn't have enough of anything ...to support their troops... the populations they took over... etc etc
This fact could go back as far as when Wars where started.... Egypt failed for the same reasons...Rome failed for the same reasons....look at the maps... maps of conquered ground... every map will show the pinnacle of expansion... and at which point the regimes began to fall

In our time... the theory of prosperity through conquest is ridiculous... populations are too large everywhere... if the country is poor in propagating what they have...they aren't going to be any better supporting even more burden...it's stupid... flat out...but they never learn ...making education.. a touch and go thing

PS I should say that my further education was centred around the likes of Nietzsche which explains rather more about me than you would like to know. shaun

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Philosophy... Never let others Philosophical views shape my point of view much... Cept maybe that of Confucius

For instance... Confucius says.... Philosophy is deep subject.... dive in... drown or come out with big pain in brain


HAPPY TANKING My Friend

ALPHA

[FreakyDude]

hey put the brakes on their gents. just as an fyi yes we have older F-18 airframes but Canada has spent hundreds of millions of dollars upgrading them over the years. Same as our ships and tanks. We may not have a lot of equipment but Canada can say one thing, We have never lost a war that we fought. And that goes back as far as the 1800's when we burned Washington to the ground lol

Putin is ripped at us because our government has rightly stood behind Ukraine in their troubles. Putin is a troglodyte and a bully. only thing you can do to a bully is beat the sh*t out of him.

[jackalope]

hey put the brakes on their gents. just as an fyi yes we have older F-18 airframes but Canada has spent hundreds of millions of dollars upgrading them over the years. Same as our ships and tanks. We may not have a lot of equipment but Canada can say one thing, We have never lost a war that we fought. And that goes back as far as the 1800's when we burned Washington to the ground lol

Putin is ripped at us because our government has rightly stood behind Ukraine in their troubles. Putin is a troglodyte and a bully. only thing you can do to a bully is beat the sh*t out of him.

Wait a minute.... NOW you have tanks too?! When did this happen?

BTW didn't burn it to the ground but did burn it up pretty good, in fact part of the white house wall has been left untouched since the burning. Guess its trying to show the rest of the world you guys are real meanies when you want to be.

[ALPHA]

Not to diss the Canadians...but I didn't know they had a navy .....A friend of mine that lives in Toronto told me how upset she was that the Government had spent fund for two used Submarines.... they old Post war models..... and sank a week after they were delivered

ALPHA