Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1

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HERMAN BIX wrote:Simply Wow.
That zim application & realism is breathtaking.
How was the compound by the time you got from back to front cured - wise ?
Thanks Herman,

All I will say is that when the Magic Sculp dries it's rock hard - and has a very pleasing look. I can't wait to see it under a layer of paint!
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Return to the turret
The Tamiya loader's aperture transplanted onto the Heng Long turret.jpg
The Tamiya loader's aperture transplanted onto the Heng Long turret.jpg (29.87 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
To give myself a break from the zimmerit I thought I would return to the turret. This was an area of the HL Tiger which I had last worked on some time ago - and it showed.

Obviously the zimmerit was going to have to come off - but with it came most of the spare track hangers. Some of these had already fallen off whilst I was wrestling with the inner workings of the recoil mechanism...

To be honest I was never 100% happy with the way I had installed the track hangers - I suspect part of the problem came about because the stick-on zimmerit is too thick. This means that it is difficult to position the upper clamps accurately. Well I will be coming back to this.

I have also taken the trouble to grind out the very prominent weld seam around the edge of the turret roof - more Magic Sculp weld beads will soon follow.

Replacing the loaders hatch

One other correction I had never planned to do was on the loader's roof hatch. For some reason the shape of the hatch on the HL turret is wrong: too big (wide) and the corners of the original were more rounded. This is not an error which is easy to spot, especially when the hatch is shut. However, I happened to have a spare Tamiya turret roof (bought with a whole load of other sprues quite cheaply on ebay a while back) - so I planned a 'transplant'.
Heng Long turret with BB switch panel removed from loader's hatch - beneath you can see Tamiya turret roof with correct smaller apperture.jpg
Heng Long turret with BB switch panel removed from loader's hatch - beneath you can see Tamiya turret roof with correct smaller apperture.jpg (23.16 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
Comparison between the HL turret and Tamiya turret top showing the latter's correct size and shape.jpg
Comparison between the HL turret and Tamiya turret top showing the latter's correct size and shape.jpg (30.63 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
So now all I have to do is remove the HL hatch surround on the right and transplant the Tamiya one from the left....jpg
So now all I have to do is remove the HL hatch surround on the right and transplant the Tamiya one from the left....jpg (35.53 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
Actually there's not much skill involved - just a lot of patience and sandpapering. The Tamiya roof was first sprayed with red oxide primer so that I could see when I had finished sanding away the grey plastic. I will let the pictures do the talking:
The HL loaders aperture is carefully sanded away.jpg
The HL loaders aperture is carefully sanded away.jpg (30.17 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
Next I used a spare Tamiya turret roof....jpg
Next I used a spare Tamiya turret roof....jpg (35.61 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
...and cut away the laoder's hatch aperture.jpg
...and cut away the laoder's hatch aperture.jpg (37.1 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
This was sanded down from beneath until only what was above the turret roof remained.jpg
This was sanded down from beneath until only what was above the turret roof remained.jpg (26.31 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
With patient use of fine sandpaper it should be possible for the excess plastic just to fall away.jpg
With patient use of fine sandpaper it should be possible for the excess plastic just to fall away.jpg (35.6 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
And here is the Tamiya loader's hatch aperture finally transplanted onto the HL turret.jpg
And here is the Tamiya loader's hatch aperture finally transplanted onto the HL turret.jpg (31.37 KiB) Viewed 5535 times
Note: This hatch surround is correct for both early and mid-production Tiger turrets - however the late version of the tank (with steel wheels) had a reinforced roof with a flush fitting hatch (similar to the Tiger II) and no splash guard...
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I love what you do with the exception of the zimmerit which I shall avoid, but I get really frustrated when as I come to the end of my Tiger 1 you point out another shortcoming of non Tamiya Tanks, oh well I suppose I can afford another few months sorting out the Turret, although I confess I was going to fit an MG 34 co-ax anyway using the socket for the LED that is presently in that position. Reluctantly I congratulate you on a brilliant build. shaun
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Hey Shaun - don't shoot the messenger!

Only joking...

This one took me ages to spot, then I chose to ignore it - then it began to bug me.

The other advantage of the Tamiya hatch is all the interior latch detail - which can be improved further with photo-etch from the 'Build Your Own Tiger set (or Aber). I've been doing that tonight and I think my eyes will need a day to recover...
Work in progress on the interior latch detail using Tamiya parts and photo-etch.jpg
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Tamiya loader's hatch and splash guard.jpg
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Fantastic build. I hope someone else makes a post, that way I can save the notice to my files and open it when needed. Thanks again.

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I am sorry Jim but I don't think anyone else is going to make a post!!!!!!!!!!! Have this one on me. shaun
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Shaun,
Thanks.

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Well, here's another post guys. This one is still work in progress (like the whole build, I know...)

Improving the mid/late cupola
Like a fashion photo from another age, this handsome devil peers lout from the cupola of a Tiger.jpg
Like a fashion photo from another age, this handsome devil peers out from the cupola of a Tiger

Like everything else with this tank - and especially in this scale - the more you look the more you see. And then there are those up-grades which just keep on coming.

A while back I installed the Taigen mid/late cupola and I fitted some pretty rudimentary periscopes (see above). Don't get me wrong - I was very pleased at the time. Then recently I came across some Schumo periscopes. These are made from resin to fit the Tamiya King Tiger and they also make a set for the Panther - but unlike the cupola on the Panther (which was taller in profile) those on the two Tigers were virtually identical.

Well curiosity soon got the better of me so I ordered a set. They look great and they're not too pricey. The set provides ten in all - seven for the cupola, one for the turret roof and two for the driver and radio operator. Only the top halves are present, and only the ones for the cupola have the detail of the inset glass block (moulded as part of a solid resin casting).
Schumo resin periscopes for the Tamiya King Tiger.jpg
Schumo resin periscopes for the Tamiya King Tiger.jpg (4.52 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
The problem came when I tried to fit them into a spare Taigen cupola. They do fit, but only just. It then dawned on me that this was because the Taigen casting, good though it is, is just not quite right. The apertures for the periscopes are too narrow, too tall and too thick.
They do fit into the Taigen metal cupola - but only just.jpg
They do fit into the Taigen metal cupola - but only just.jpg (25.2 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
So I dug out an old Hachette cupola which I had from Issue 12 of the Build Your Own Tiger magazine (as I have said before, these can be found occasionally on ebay in a job lot from people who have given up on that very expensive and ultimately flawed project).

So what happened when I test fitted the Schumo periscopes? They fitted like the proverbial glove, that's what.
The Schumo periscope set include seven identical resin castings for the cupola.jpg
The Schumo periscope set include seven identical resin castings for the cupola.jpg (28.75 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
The Schumo periscopes fit perfectly.jpg
The Schumo periscopes fit perfectly.jpg (26.53 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
Taigen cupola on the left, Hachette on the right - note different size of periscope apertures.jpg
Taigen cupola on the left, Hachette on the right - note different size of periscope apertures.jpg (36.31 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
Here you can see how the Hachette periscope apertures are (correctly) both lower and wider.jpg
Here you can see how the Hachette periscope apertures are (correctly) both lower and wider.jpg (30.8 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
So the Hachette cupola is just better all-round than the Taigen equivalent. I especially like the fact that the hatch cover is noticeably separate from the pivot and bracket - this is how it should look (and I have read somewhere that the hatch cover could actually rotate).

It's far from perfect, however. First of all it's all plastic, so although it's sprung like the metal one I remain a little nervous about how much handling it will take. The anti-aircraft rail around the top is also very unconvincing, being far too thick (it looks a little better on the Taigen metal version). The real thing was actually quite thick - as you can see in the shot above (I will soon post some more shots of the real thing) but it still needs to look in scale.

Also note that Schumo do make their own cupola up-grade, but this is prohibitively expensive (£34.99) and the hatch cover has to be purchased as a separate part!

There weren't any real issues fitting the new cupola into the Heng Long turret however. I simply prised the old Taigen one off and put a fillet of plastic card around the bottom half of the Hachette piece. I also cut out a circular template to fit to the underside of the turret roof which was slightly smaller than the hole I had left in the turret roof (something I should have done before) so that the cupola simply sits in the aperture.

So what next?

First off I have replaced the AA ring with a better looking rail made from bent brass strip. This I carefully bent around a suitably sized item - actually the handle of my drilling tool - making sure that the circle was regular without kinks. I actually bent it to a slightly smaller circumference so that I would take out some of the 'spring' before opening it out to the correct width. It was then glued it in place with strong five minute epoxy glue. I will have to add small weld beads.
The Hachette cupola is very slightly smaller than the Taigen version.jpg
The Hachette cupola is very slightly smaller than the Taigen version.jpg (28.1 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
The anti-aircraft rail replaced by bent brass strip.jpg
The anti-aircraft rail replaced by bent brass strip.jpg (24.76 KiB) Viewed 5452 times
Well, as I said, the more you look the more you start to see. There are the locking attachments on the cupola lid (you can see part of one in the photo of the real thing above), the two tubular supports for the turret rain shield (a sort of rectangular umbrella which you occasionally see in pictures), the armoured shield for the hatch pivot... all still to come!
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Tanks,
Excellent work on correcting the Cupola! I have seen those periscope lens in clear somewhere but cannot now remember. I think most folks just paint them the correct shade of reflective paint anymore anyway. Thank you for the great pics and update!
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I have one of those Hachette Tigers as well.
Been under a bit of pressure to get it done, but , well you know I didnt buy it to build it, more just because it was there to collect and because I could.
I will probably complete it one day, but not in the near future.
The work you are putting in on this is astounding Mr Tanks, im sure the folks at Hachette would look on in amazement to see donor parts going into such a profound project !
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