Building a Mid-Production Normandy Tiger 1

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Good Evening,
It does look pretty sweet. ;o) Good to see updates coming out of this end of the tank barn again. Please continue!
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Superb work and fantastic write up :thumbup:
Barrel sleeve grub nuts = very cool!
And very helpful tips on adding welds!
Thanks , I can't wait till the next update
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The Zimmerit [Take 2]
The full set of Imperial-Modellbau zimmerit stamps includes waffle pattern - useful for any Stug!.jpg
The full set of Imperial-Modellbau zimmerit stamps includes waffle pattern - useful for any Stug!.jpg (22.58 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
Anyone who has read this diary will know that, ever since I chose what I thought was ‘the lazy option’, I have become gradually disenchanted with the Taigen stick-on zimmerit. I won’t repeat all of my gripes, but at the end of the day I just didn’t feel it looked ‘right’.

In any event wherever I had to replace it or fill in gaps I found the alternative, applied using Milliput and an old screwdriver, far more convincing. Unfortunately, although the Taigen variety was already too thick and the pattern too large, I had to replicate the same pattern to avoid mine looking out of place.

Well, in the end I had had enough. IT HAD TO GO. Getting the stick-on portions off was simple enough – I just peeled and pulled it until it was almost all gone – then used a sanding attachment to remove most of the glue residue. You don’t have to be too fanatical about this because a rough surface will help whatever putty you use to adhere. In fact I pitted the surfaces further using a drill bit.

Of course applying the putty is one thing – and I’ll come to this in a moment – but how do you texture it?

I was going to use my trusty screw driver again, but then these fantastic zimmerit stamps came to the rescue. A real find, they are made /marketed by either Imperial-Modellbau or Hagen Miniatures and available from:

http://www.hagen-miniatures.de/index.ph ... iew/45/108

They are made from heavy cast white metal and, at 19.90 euros [when I last looked on 10/09/15 only 11.90!] (+ postage), I think they are good value. I found them just by googling ‘1/16 zimmerit tool’.

The beauty of the stamps is that they create evenly spaced indentations. Of course they have to be used in a repetitive fashion (both horizontally and vertically) so the pattern is not perfect – but if you look at close ups of the real thing that is actually how it should be. On the original tanks the paste was actually indented by hand with either a roller or a serrated board (probably both) in small areas.

There are other methods. Some people use an actual roller. These are made for 1/35 scale (I haven’t seen one for 1/16), but the disadvantage of this comes when you need to apply zimmerit near to an obstruction – e.g. the side skirts – where the roller won’t be able to reach the putty alongside. Another way is to use a serrated edge. The Hobbyboss Tiger 1 comes with a set of metal scraping tools and I did try these – but I found that the serrations were too close together to be true to scale and, in any event, not deep enough so that when dragged over the wet putty they roughened the surface in a most unconvincing way.

Using Milliput and Magic Sculp with the zimmerit stamps

Having already used Magic Sculp for my weld beads I was ready to give it a go at the zimmerit. I had, however, already had a dry run using the stamps with Milliput on the hard-to-see lower hull plates at the front and back. If the results weren’t as good I was able to achieve with Magic Sculp this may simply have been because I hadn’t had the practice.
AN early attempt using Milliput zimmerit - the putty was simply pressed on in lumps and spread out using wetted fingers.jpg
AN early attempt using Milliput zimmerit - the putty was simply pressed on in lumps and spread out using wetted fingers.jpg (28.38 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
Not bad - but a little uneven in depth.jpg
Not bad - but a little uneven in depth.jpg (30.08 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
The pattern was then indented using the stamps - but here spread a little too widely apart.jpg
The pattern was then indented using the stamps - but here spread a little too widely apart.jpg (34.28 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
Here's the same Milliput method used at the front - a bit of a mess if I'm honest, but luckily no one is going to see it!.jpg
Here's the same Milliput method used at the front - a bit of a mess if I'm honest, but luckily no one is going to see it!.jpg (37.36 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
Compared to Millput, Magic Sculp appears to be a little stickier. Both can be rolled fairly flat using a rolling pin or pastry roller, but you need some talcum powder to stop it sticking to this and whatever surface you are rolling it on. I tried grease-proof paper, but this was a disaster – I simply couldn’t get it to come off. Better was to use a vinyl food chopping mat (mine from IKEA) – again with some talcum powder. I rolled the putty as flat as possible into the approximate size and shape needed before trimming it closer in size. The rectangle for the main front plate was then peeled off and laid in place on the tank before being worked into position (and as flat as possible) using my fingers wetted in a little water. After a few minutes setting time the putty was then trimmed along its edges using the same tools I used for my weld beads.
Here's the sheet of rolled Magic Sculp roughly pressed in place.jpg
Here's the sheet of rolled Magic Sculp roughly pressed in place.jpg (32 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
And now trimmed and pressed more firmly into place.jpg
And now trimmed and pressed more firmly into place.jpg (25.37 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
The first lines pressed into place using the zimmerit stamps - now closer together.jpg
The first lines pressed into place using the zimmerit stamps - now closer together.jpg (25.27 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
Then the fun commenced… The trick is to work across the puttied area in roughly parallel lines (although this doesn’t have to be too precise), pressing in the stamp at a right-angle (perpendicular?) to the surface (this may seem obvious but it’s hard to remember when the plate is set at an angle). Each line of indentations should just meet the last one, thus avoiding too much of a ridge between each vertical line. You can see on my earlier efforts (using Milliput) that I actually spaced them too widely apart.
Hoorah! The first plate is finished - only another five to go on the hull, then the turret....jpg
Hoorah! The first plate is finished - only another five to go on the hull, then the turret....jpg (28.83 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
But boy was it worth it! Good riddance Taigen zimmerit, hello Magic Sculp....jpg
But boy was it worth it! Good riddance Taigen zimmerit, hello Magic Sculp....jpg (29.53 KiB) Viewed 6078 times
At the time of writing the Magic Sculp is still drying and I am going to let it dry a little more before adding some of the battle damage which is so distinctive on battle-weary Tigers – zimmerit chipped away from impacts, whether from bullets/shells or walls/trees…
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omg tftm, you saw pandoras box again!!! :haha:
just when i thought you could see the light at the end of the tunnel.
i too have ripped off the rubber zim on my tiger but just on the turret
the rest of it, i really couldn't be arsed :D
maybe if i blow the paint job, i'll do it.
anyhoo, i'm glad to see you back in the zone :thumbup:
cheers
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That looks great, I'm not sure I would have the patience to do this though.
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Great job on the Zimmerit can't wait to see it finished.
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Although I swore I'd never hand zimmerite again , the combination of those stamps and magic sculpt look amazing!
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Not being at all familliar with the putty you used Mr 'Tanks' does the stuff remain slightly maleable or does it set like plaster ?
The finish is supelative, and I imagine the laying of the material will be a test around the mantlet etc.
Are those zim forming tools you have about the same size as a common engineers letter punch ?
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That is pretty awesome work there.
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Thanks guys - sometimes I just need to hear that I'm not completely bonkers...

Although lister fiend you're quite right - I just can't resist having another peek in that box ('Pandora's Golden Heebie Jeebies'* anyone?)

[* A great psych song from 1967 by the Association]

Herman, to answer your questions:

Yes, the Magic Sculp sets nice and hard. In fact when it is spread more thinly it looks more grey than my weld beads - and has the appearance and feel of the surface of a modern plastic kit (e.g. Dragon).

I am afraid that I am not familiar with engineer's letter punches, but the stamps are about 8mm square at their thicker end.

Here is my first go at battle damage - I allowed the Magic Sculp to cure for a couple of hours after I had stamped it and the used a chisel tool to chip it away - it came away fairly (but not too) easily. However I am confident that the rest of it will stay put...
After the Magic Sculp has been allowed to cure for a couple of hours battle damage can easily be added by chipping the zimmerit away.jpg
After the Magic Sculp has been allowed to cure for a couple of hours battle damage can easily be added by chipping the zimmerit away.jpg (29.57 KiB) Viewed 5707 times
Compared to the Taigen alternative the Magic Sculp zimmerit is also a much better scale of thickness.jpg
Compared to the Taigen alternative the Magic Sculp zimmerit is also a much better scale of thickness.jpg (28.79 KiB) Viewed 5707 times
Oh yes, and here are those Hobbyboss 1/16 zimmerit tools that come with their Tiger 1 - perhaps in the right hands (not mine) they can be made to work...
The zimmerit tool sheet which comes with the Hobbyboss 1 16 Tiger 1.jpg
The zimmerit tool sheet which comes with the Hobbyboss 1 16 Tiger 1.jpg (26.53 KiB) Viewed 5707 times
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