Michael Wittmann Tiger Ace

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Postby Jonty500 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:32 pm

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Michael Wittmann one of the most successful Tank Commanders of WW2 in one operation in his Tiger he took out seven allied tanks in one afternoon

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Postby DymondTank » Mon Sep 20, 2021 5:48 pm

Regarding Michael Whittmann I do agree he was a tiger ace . But it is quite bizzare how people say he is a hero . Which is mad . We do forget he fought for a regime . He was in a black uniform and invading a country he shouldn’t be in
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Postby jarndice » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:10 pm

DymondTank wrote:Regarding Michael Whittmann I do agree he was a tiger ace . But it is quite bizzare how people say he is a hero . Which is mad . We do forget he fought for a regime . He was in a black uniform and invading a country he shouldn’t be in

One might very well say that of every invading army throughout history and yet within those invading armies one can readily identify "Heroes",
And as to the black uniform British Tank crews wore black overalls and black berets.
The organisation that Wittman belonged too certainly had a dreadful reputation but to curse the Whole of the German armed forces with the same failures to follow military law both national and international as well as the various sections of the Geneva convention would be a grave mistake.
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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:03 pm

In an effort to not cast a detailed and potentially offending opinion I simply think.
Ace Perhaps
Hero no

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Postby Rob1970 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:04 pm

"Historybooks are written by the victorious, and the statues for the heroes are erected by the same..." Each side had their respective heroes and villains. Heroic things are sometimes done for despicable reasons, and sometimes vile things are done with the best intentions. Was Whittmann a brilliant tactician and tanker? Probably. Was he a hero? Well, for that he was on the wrong side of the conflict... But that's just my humble opinion.
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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Mon Sep 20, 2021 7:27 pm

All I can say is watch the tankies documentary specifically the filthy fith episode. The unit that encountered Whitman on that day

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Postby Spartantracks » Thu May 26, 2022 6:15 pm

Just out of interest have any of you ever visited whittmans Grave? I did a couple of years ago and the cemetery is spotless but the strangest thing I noticed on this beautiful summers day there was not a sound, A huge place but not even a bird could be herd ,Even my wife noticed and thought it was odd.

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Postby jarndice » Thu May 26, 2022 7:09 pm

Spartantracks wrote:Just out of interest have any of you ever visited whittmans Grave? I did a couple of years ago and the cemetery is spotless but the strangest thing I noticed on this beautiful summers day there was not a sound, A huge place but not even a bird could be herd ,Even my wife noticed and thought it was odd.


During the course of my Military career I visited "Belsen" Concentration Camp and again not a bird to be heard anywhere, a truly dreadful place.
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Postby DymondTank » Fri May 27, 2022 2:39 pm

Last Easter I took a trip down Normandy and we went to Lacombe cemetery. We found out that some took the original headstone of Michael Whitmann . Don’t know why . So they replaced it and concreted it down. If you been there they usually placed and preserved neatly
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Postby DymondTank » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:17 pm

13 June 1944: The Battle of Villers-Bocage begins
with Michael Wittmann's ambush of the British 22nd
Armored Brigade. Wittmann's Tiger knocks out
three Stuarts, one Sherman OP, nine half-tracks, four
carriers and two anti-tank guns. He will be forced to
abandon his tank though and the battle will continue
without him, with a German follow-up attack. This
drives the British out,

https://youtu.be/DwyQ9sjNjr8
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Postby DymondTank » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:20 pm

Few photos of the aftermath of tank wrecks
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Postby DymondTank » Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:57 pm

Now he is out for a drive in my garden :haha:
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Postby Jimster » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:51 am

Otto Carius is one of my favorite heroes. Not afraid to say it.
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Postby DymondTank » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:54 am

Otto Carious tiger 213
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Postby DymondTank » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:57 am

Historical photo Otto’s tiger
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Postby jarndice » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:51 am

Unlike Michael Wittmann Otto Carius was not a member of the SS he was a soldier in the German Army,
initially he enlisted as an infantryman before joining up for training in a Panzer regiment serving on the Eastern and Western fronts.
He was never accused, tried or convicted of any war crimes and opened and ran a chemists shop post war until his retirement.
He died at the age of 91 in West Germany.
Of course we should not forget Herman Bix :O
Not a New Zealander living and working in Australia but another member of the German Army who had an illustrious career in Heavy Tanks,
He served on most fronts that German Armour was to be found,
Awarded the knights cross amongst other medals he died aged 71 in West Germany.
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Postby DymondTank » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:14 am

Fair play Otto was the only guy who shot a plane in the sky because he got pissed off by it.

This is probably the most absurd thing we have heard, when a German tank shot down a Russian fighter, probably the most baffling event in the history of aviation and armor, leaving veterans baffled and mystified. Being shot down as a pilot is considered scary and horrendous, but by a tank? He would become the laughing stock of the Russian air force.

Statement from the book tigers in the mud
“My gunner, Unteroffizier Kramer, can take credit for a deed that was probably unparalleled on the Eastern Front. That is, he succeeded in shooting down a Russian fighter with the Tiger Tank canon.”

Otto Carius was a tank ace in the German army who was responsible for upwards of 150 tank kills. He was awarded with the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves for extreme battlefield bravery . This was the highest award given by the Nazis and was the highest military decoration awarded for valour.
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Postby jarndice » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:24 am

:haha: :haha: Although perhaps not so strange when you consider the main gun on a Tiger 1 was pretty much unchanged from its original source the 88mm flak.
A fine 1/16 example of which I am the proud possessor care of Will and Cath :thumbup:
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Postby DymondTank » Tue Jun 14, 2022 9:25 am

Totally agree lmao
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