Tiger 1 headlights

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Postby ronnie42 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Are the headlights too tall, was wondering why the barrel hits the headlights as the turret turns. You would think they would clear them when the barrel is horizontal ? The turret is 10 mm above the hull so it should be just over 0.6mm on 1/16 models.

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:26 pm

I've never had a clearance issue with mine, Ronnie. After a quick look at My Tamiya and Taigen Tigers, I found that they had a clearance of around 3mm + , with the barrel in horizontal position. :)
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:39 pm

I guess you must be dealing with an early Tiger1 because the later single central lamp is mounted lower. My two early examples clear the barrels no problem. Maybe yours are incorrectly mounted high? Post a photo do we can see the problem.
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Postby ronnie42 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:10 pm

Here are some pics , its all about how high the turret sits and are the headlights the correct size. It would help if you posted a pic of the gap between the deck and turret :D
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Postby ronnie42 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:37 pm

This is the problem, cant see the German engineers putting headlights on that can be knocked off when the gun is level.
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Postby Jimster » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:35 pm

Hmmmm. Here’s a pic of my old bucket with the gun very slightly depressed and still barely clearing the headlight. The upper hull is Heng Long, the headlights are some aftermarket metal lights and the turret and barrel are Taigen.
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Postby ronnie42 » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:50 pm

Jimster i think the problem is the raised circle supporting the turret on the hull , turret should have very little clearance between hull. I removed most of the ring to lower the turret onto the hull after looking at Tiger1 walkarounds. Looking at yours i see i have missed the driver vision holes, another fix to do.

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Postby Jimster » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:17 am

Once you modify one thing it seems to affect another. That crap gets aggravating but the quest for the most realistic model can be intoxicating (maybe that’s just me :{ ). Perhaps you could somehow shorten the mounting brackets for the headlights. Or raise the turret back to it’s factory height. I don’t see many other options. Whichever is most visually appealing to you.
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Postby Jimster » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:22 am

You won’t have those two vision holes unless you model a very very early Tiger. They were soon welded shut upon or before delivery and then totally eliminated altogether.
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Postby Jimster » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:26 am

Actually it seems that you have early lights on a late Tiger. You probably should relocate your headlight accordingly and problem is solved.
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Postby ronnie42 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 10:59 am

The Tiger 1 is a popular kit as it evolved and even then repaired ones add more variation. Headlights went from 2 on top to 1 drivers side then finally in centre on the wall.
Was the turret made to sit high because the BB gun altered the position of the ring , result was the turret is out true when turning so fouled the tools?
Dropping the turret down onto the hull has to stay as its the correct position.
Perhaps i have been looking too long at BarryC and Imcq11 builds and they don't take anything for granted. I want the models to look just about right and run to scale.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:04 pm

I can see why you want the turret clearance to be prototypical but IF it's right then something else is wrong.

Is the barrel height in the turret right? Is the lamp and it's mounting bracket correct in terms of shape and size? Is the turret front to lamp distance correct or is the first section of the barrel the correct length? Is the barrel fully seated on the internal mechanism?

The easiest solution would be to reduce the height of the lamp mounting bracket and/or find a smaller diameter lamp but this may not look right in your eyes.
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Postby Jarlath » Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:01 pm

Since you decided to lower the turret to the correct height, did you also correct the placement of the turret rotation on the deck?
Also the Lights on the upper hull corners were known to be damaged by the main gun on the real Tiger, let alone from incoming fire. Hence why the changes in locations.
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Postby ronnie42 » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:35 pm

Done this viewtopic.php?f=118&t=11488 Atak mantlet fixed gun pivot point. Will leave it as it is and just make do with the main gun hitting the headlights.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:41 am

I'm guessing, though I've never tried side by side comparison, that the turret aperture on the Tamiya Tiger 1 is- unlike Taigen and Heng Long iterations, in the correct position, Ronnie. :)
Using the Tamiya upper deck might be one option, but that would mean other substantial modifications re: turret ring, motors etc.
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Postby ronnie42 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:39 am

43rd think i have a better option , the Hobby Boss version. Has a few problems , hatches moulded in, mudguards fixed , speaker circle in louvers and a deck latch to move. Plus points nice detail, weld lines are good , only the jack block is moulded in and no fix for the turret , but i might fit a a tamiya loaders hatch as its correct.
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Chop the screw fixing tubes away and this fits
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