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We have faced every kind of attack on the Second Amendment Right of every Citizen to keep and bear arms. That very right is why guy's like Dan can purchase the supplies of black powder,flash paper,and other firearms related supplies.

Ironically the very Law which I have a copy of called The Second Amendment Primer has several sections to give historical background on this Right in America, following in this book the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a section titled The Development and Declaration of the Right in England.Oddly this English Right has been taken away through regulation and restriction.

It pre-dates the American declaration by 108 years, Feb.12th 1668. The Establishment of Parliament and the Throne being occupied by William of Orange and Mary under condition of the Parliaments declarations(13 rights) being unchangeable through Royal Decree.

So can someone explain the current status of Gun Rights in the UK? My only knowledge is the historical establishment of this right, but no current information of the Law as it is in modern times? Sax

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hi sax as far as i know regarding the law firearms are a no no i used to do airsoft which is electric bb scale replicas and anyone could buy one but now you have to be a registered airsofter to buy unless they are brightly coloured.
as for real ones you need a licence and a reason eg farmer or clay pigion shooter for a shotgun.
as for others you need to be a registered reinactor or musium member to buy blank firers or replicas.
as for real ones deinate no no but this is by act of parliment not royal decree i think

That is what I am trying to understand? When did your Parliament change this law and how was it possible? Our gun rights have one defining purpose,to prevent the Government from ruling us.We have the right to form militiaman as well,which means Citizen Soldiers.

Dans firing King Tiger was one with material easy to purchase here in America,and it should be easy to purchase. But with this comes the responsibility of common sense. Also a criminal cannot purchase much of this material, vendors have the right to ask for I.D. and to check on your status as a Non-Felon.

With all this unregulated materials the Highjackers used Federal restrictions in their favor to board planes armed. So this demonstrates that had they attempted to purchase material like a citizen they knew they would be examined. So they just focused on the only weapon available to them in America,an airliner. See we do not need laws to restrict our rights, we need government to enforce the immigration laws and protect our citizens.

Hi mate . I used to be in a living history group (re enactment) . Years ago you could have blank firing semi autos and full autos . Like Garands and MG34s for renactment . But after a rampage by a guy with a live firing AK47 which unfournutally took lives the goverment band the ownership of any semi or fully automatic weapon including blank firerers . Most were converted to what we call now old spec deactivated , the main parts still work but wont fire . The same for any weapon deactivated before 1995 . After this date they are compleatly welded , as new spec deactivated. You can own live firing bolt action rifles on a permit . Livefiring hand guns are also baned in the UK now . As for replicas you can only purchase these if your a certified member of a living history group . Deactivated weapons you can buy as far as I know . If you were in a living history group and have now left you can keep all your deativated weapons and your replicas ( but cant buy any more replicas) . I think some companies are producing modern copies of blank firing weapons . As Ive seen a BAR for sale thats blank firing. It looks like providing your in a group and have deep pockets you can get blankfiring weapons , but modern reproductions as apose to originals converted to blank firing ( I could be wrong on that last bit) . As much as it is tradgic when peoples lives are taken , the UK goverment just reacts over the top with an instant ban . Since the ban on live firing hand guns theres been an increase in crime using them. Should the goverment ban kitchen knifes to stop stabbings ? ban string so people dont get strangled ?

The gun laws over here are annoying as hell, when i turned 17 and the age to own an air rifle changed to 18, 2 days ish before my birthday, so the air rifle I bought has to "technically" be my dads so he can "lend" it to me to shoot on land which is private & we have permission (16+ no supervision required)

However when I was 16 I had springer air rifle and that was legal for me to own, but not use without supervision, however now the law changed to being older I technically wasn't old enough to own it, but I already had it.... and we could find no laws at all to say what would happen with it, so both of my air rifles are currently in a cupboard behind some stuff only being occasionally used when i get permission and an over 18 year old to take it to where I can use it till I am 18 in august... grrrr.

The problem is the minority, some idiots that cant be responsible with what they can do at their age ruin is for the majority.

That is interesting, we have had to fight the Liberals for years on this issue. I n view of the recent shooting by a crazy individual who the main stream media is trying very hard to connect this nut to Sarah Palin and The Tea Party group. Next the will try again to restrick weapon sales.

The requirement here is based on the type of weapon. Long guns weather semi-auto or shotgun does not matter they can run your background and sell the gun straight away. Ammunition no problem can be purchased be any Non-Felon Citizen. Hand guns require a waiting period.

But here is the best thing,any citizen in my State(Tennessee) has the "right to carry" after going to a class, qualifying with any handgun. Then at the same office we are issued driven licence you are issued a permit to carry. Our crime rate has dropped 25-40% since we have adopted this law. Not every state allows this, but every Southern State has this law,and my Tennessee permit is recognized by other states with this law.

But here the thing, people have never given politicians the power to change our Constitution. It is instant end of political career. So we continue to have our guns. But when did ownership end in the UK and why?

Hi in 1987 Micheal Ryan walked the streets of Hungerfood shooting dead 16 and wounding 15 inocent people using a AK47 and a Beratta pistol . This bought in the semi and full auto gun ban for both live and blank . In 1996 an ex scout leader shot dead 16 young children in year one (5 to 6 year olds ) and a teacher using a hand gun , the following year hand guns were baned . The Uk Olympic hand gun team train in another country ! These are both a teribble waist of life but throwing in an instent ban is the UK goverments idea to most things . Again they were a terible waist of life . But what if people were allowed to carry like in the US may be the first person he targeted could of shot back it might of stopped there ? And infact hand gun crime has risen since the ban . On a UK tv programe a guy found a German WW2 P38 on a market stall in an eastern European country , he handed that back but carried on to the Uk on the Euro Star and with a replica P38 showing it to several cctv cameras , he wasnt chalenged and walked streight into the Uk !

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this might be what you're looking for Sax

The first British firearm controls were introduced as part of the Vagrancy Act 1824, which was set up in a reaction against the large number of people roaming the country with weapons brought back from the Napoleonic wars. The Act allowed the police to arrest "any person with any gun, pistol, hanger [dagger], cutlass, bludgeon or other offensive weapon ... with intent to commit a felonious act".

That is the start, the 1668 LAW required people in England to be armed in case of invasion or other foreign threat. Also the new parliament understood through common sense the need to have armed citizens. In response to the recent shooting spree it is the fault of the conservatives that this happened. Stupid power hungry politicians. No proof, but any reason they can find to take away guns. This nut is insane period. When the same insane Muslim killed people on base at fort Hood we were told not to rush judgement? This time they are screaming about this being caused by Conservative talk radio.

Bottom line we are losing control to people concerned with power period,crime here has dropped every year since we started exercising our right to keep and bear arms. The criminal knows he will get blown away. This guy would not of gotten off the third shot in a right to carry state, a armed citizen would have shot him full of holes. We are trained to empty the magazine..

Guess what crime is the lowest rate in decades, criminals are being killed. It works every time. This recent shooting has the politicians very scared, the guy got three politicians, had one citizen been armed this would have been different,and a 9 year old little girl would be here and this Insane person would be dead. God save us from the Liberal progressive movement.

Sax

Saxondog wrote:
...... the guy got three politicians, had one citizen been armed this would have been different,and a 9 year old little girl would be here and this Insane person would be dead.......

Sax

Two citizens were armed but they didn't react fast enough and it was two unarmed citizens who disarmed the gun man.

Not sure if the outcome would've been any different had the two armed people reacted, infact it could've been worse if three untrained people started to shoot it out. Owning a gun isn't the same as knowing how to use a gun.