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Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:59 am
by nw explorer
I have several rc tanks H/l and Tamiya and have had the odd problem with them all ,but this Tiger..! >:(

This was the tank that got me into this hobby,bought for my nephew,discarded,given to me as i like anything to do with modeling.
Ive stripped it remodeled it lavished time,money and love on it,it sits in its box lording it up,and if i dare use it, it destroys some component or another.
Been doing a Jagdpanther lately so Tiger not been run,thinks i will give it a spin,Tiger thinks i will eat my gearbox! Through light use it has completley stripped the teeth off the final drive,this is a uprated running in bearings 3/1 box,
Starting to despair with this i have metal hull and wheels here for planned rebuild,another rebuild,but i am now thinking bin it sell the parts and get a Tamiya. :-\

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:03 am
by BIGMIG
Well seeing I'm up late just killing time and having a lot around the forum I'll post you a reply that most likely will offer "not much help" to your situation.You realy didn't say what you started out with--other than it's a tiger tank---and from what I gather you put in another gear box other than the stock plastic or metal version that these tanks come from the factory with.

It helps to know if it was a S&S model,or a non S&S model when you got it.Also what all you have done to it and what you may have changed out or replaced on the tank.More specific details on some of the actual problems that have taken place.


I have worked on a fair ammount of tanks and done about 7 different builds where I took all the HL components out of the HL tanks and put them in bigger scale tanks (1/12 scale--4 of them---And 2 1/12 scale hummers----plus one 1/12 scale or larger jeep ) and other than burning up one board that I can remember " just off hand" I can't say any of them have given me any real big problem.-----------

But I need to say here I have never really taken any of them out and run them for long periods of time,and or run them over any realy abusive areas where they would have to work really hard to operate.I did up-grade a couple of the 1/16 models with metal gearboxes and did around 3 or 4 NON  S&S models up-grading them to smoke and sound models.Again no problems to speak of,but there again I did not take any of those out and realy work them hard.

One thing I have also not done "yet"----Is buy and install any metal wheels or metal tracks on any of my tanks.I do not own one with metal tracks,but mabe someday I may get one.I have thought about it many times,but have so many of them now I don't know why I would need another one at this particular time. ;D ;D ;D

My guess is if you post a little more detail on your tiger and what specific problems you have had that there will be others here who have had the same or simular problems and they will jump at the chance to help you out.      ;D ;D ;D

Hope you can get the bugs worked out as over-all the tiger tanks are pretty darn good tanks. ;D ;D

                          BIGMIG  ;) ;)

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:34 am
by BIGMIG
Thought i would add one other little piece of info that is just general information---This has been posted in many topics on the forums.

I will say most all gear boxes can be improved on how well they operate and how well all the gears mesh up.And this pertains to plastic and metal gearboxes. (the metal ones are the worst for being to tight and out of alingment).I have done about six sets or more (lost track of what all I've done) of the metal gearboxes and I can say they were all to tight and out of alignment that I had received.Some had been shimmed improperly at the factory,or need to have some shimms installed.Some of them the metal housing where the moter is bolted on was bent to tight to the gear (refering to the pinion gear onto the big gear ) and some was not tight enough.This is hard for me to explain as the pinion gear should just make a nice clean contact without being pressed down onto the big gear.I don't know what gear box you used but I will assume from your post it was not a stock type HL box,there for do not know what the quality was of the one you used and what there claim to fame is suppose to be for it. ;D

Its very hard to strip a metal or brass gear unless something was being run way out of alignment in the gear box (refering to the gears themselves not being lined up right)

    This is for what it's worth and others may have a different opinion--- ;D ;D

                            BIGMIG  ;) ;)

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:01 am
by nw explorer
To say the gear is stripped is an under statement it has removed nearly all the teeth! i can only think the gear itself has not been hardened.the gearbox is running fine up till the final gear which is almost totally stripped.

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:06 am
by forgebear
hi dont bin it the new brass gearboxes out of heng long will be with me soon and they wont be pricey dave  ;)

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 9:50 am
by fv432
those 3:1 and any metal h/long box produced so far uses a real poor grade "white metal" probably the same stuff they use in the metal wheels

would agree with dave dont bin them wait for the new gears from dave and go for them failing that the asiatam low profiles are good and closer to tamiya quality ;) ;)
use them myself and havent had any issues with them  ;) ;) ;)


Rob

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:00 am
by Ex_Pat_Tanker
I'm converting my fleet to RCCommands steel gear sets, the 'mystery metal' gears from HL are a little variable in terms of material quality to say the least :-\

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 11:07 am
by forgebear
hi the ones from h/l are almost the same as the asitams but they will be the price of the 3: 1 steel boxes should be better for the tiger

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:09 pm
by nw explorer
I have a set of Impact gears ready for my King Tiger build,when you look at these and compare them to the H/l gears its not surprising that they soon break.
But literally this tank has only run these gears for probably 4 or 5 hours. Metal tracks and sprockets but standard wheels and suspension.
I got all the bits i have ready for the planned rebuild out and have decieded ive come this far with it i may as well carry on,so it looks like new gears and keep going!

                                  If it plays up again  its shotgun time  ;D

Re: Is This Tiger Cursed!

Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:52 pm
by wibblywobbly
You could just buy some el-cheapo replacement HL metal gearboxes, none of mine have disintigreted yet?