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We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 11:57 am
by seekaliao
I am saying this because of I think many people all over the world like German WW2 tanks.

I am very sure most of us know WW2, we hate Hitler for what he has done. But we like his weapons of destruction! I think I can safely say that the Tiger 131 is perhaps the most popular tank in the world. So many people went to see the Tiger 131 on Tiger day!! I have never heard of sherman day, leopard day or Abrams day....Frankly, I don't think Hitler himself (wherever he is now) would know that his tanks would be so popular today. Kind of weird.

Btw, I am from Singapore and I have a friend who specially went all the way to Britain just to see Tiger 131 on Tiger day. He is a big fan of the Tiger tank. One day, I would also want to make the trip to see it. Its my favourite tank. Hopefully the museum will restore the King Tiger as well and there will be a Tiger and King Tiger day!!

Btw, just to add one sad thing about the Tiger that I just found out recently. I originally thought that Tiger and King Tiger are massive tanks!! Really huge tanks that created fear for the allies. Now, then I know its only true in WW2. Tiger tank is considered tiny today. If you put it beside a Challenger 2, it just look so small and underwhelming. Even the mighty king tiger is smaller as well. Looks like tanks have gotten alot bigger since ww2.

Re: We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:03 pm
by Tiggr
Yep. I admit it. I'm a bit weird.
Collection of WW 2 German tigers - most variants.
Garden railway that fills my back garden
Racing cyclist - winner of 330 races.

Re: We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 12:46 pm
by jarndice
I remember the first time I climbed into the cab of a Volvo F88/89 It was gigantic,
We used to run them to Saudi and the drivers loved them,
Just before I retired I climbed into the cab of our newest Volvo FH12 it made the 88 look like a "Dinky" toy.
Times and needs change,
As an old transport manager of mine once very wisely said "The Trucks get better the Roads get worse and a drivers wages remain the same" :lolno:
Shaun.

Re: We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:31 pm
by Jake79
Hi

Leopard 2
Weight 2A6: 62.3 tonnes (68.7 short tons)
Length 2A6: 9.97 metres (393 inches) (gun forward)
Width 2A6: 3.75 m (148 in)
Height 2A6: 3.0 m (120 in)

Panzerjäger Tiger Ausf. B
Weight 71.7 tonnes (158,000 lb) (Henschel suspension)
Length 10.65 m (34 ft 11 in) including gun
Width 3.6 m (11 ft 10 in)
Height 2.8 m (9 ft 2 in)


King Tiger
Weight 68.5 tonnes (67.4 long tons; 75.5 short tons) (early turret)
69.8 tonnes (68.7 long tons; 76.9 short tons) (production turret)[2]
Length 7.38 metres (24 ft 3 in) (hull)
10.286 metres (33 ft 9 in) (with gun forward)[2]
Width 3.755 metres (12 ft 4 in)[2]
Height 3.09 metres (10 ft 2 in)[2


JagdtIger is actually larger and heavier than the Leo 2 so is the K/T, I don't know if thats right, I'm sure my Leo is longer than my K/T I must check :eh:

Re: We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:24 pm
by seekaliao
IMHO, weight is not an accurate way to judge how massive the tanks are.

The main reason why these WW2 tanks are so heavy its due to its armour. There is no composite/chobham armour back then so everything is solid steel and thickness is the only way to go. If K/T were to use composite armour, I think it could be just as light as T90. Also, if Leo2 relies just on RHA thickness for its armour, it could well weight even more than maus to achieve the same protection.

Re: We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:33 pm
by Jake79
not just weight ...look at the length too!! there not so different to modern armour size wise.

Re: We are All A Bit Weird

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:39 pm
by seekaliao
IMHO, weight is not an accurate way to judge how massive the tanks are.

The main reason why these WW2 tanks are so heavy its due to its armour. There is no composite/chobham armour back then so everything is solid steel and thickness is the only way to go. If K/T were to use composite armour, I think it could be just as light as T90. Also, if Leo2 relies just on RHA thickness for its armour, it could well weight even more than maus to achieve the same protection.