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Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:07 pm
by 43rdRecceReg

- Evidence of defence cuts on Loch Ewe?
It wasn't only in WW2 that we used dummy tanks. They're still in use today. Up here in Wester Ross (Scotland), we have annual NATO exercises, involving, ships, helicopters, landing craft, fast jets and...well, dummy tanks. I took these pics a while ago on Loch Ewe where I live. I think they're T72s, but one seems to have brewer's droop. Also, being new to the Rc tank world, I was shocked to see the absence of british tanks in 1/16 scale. We built more than 28,000 in WW2: Matilda 2s, Churchills, Cromwells, and the brilliant Comet etc. From 1940 until 1942, the Matilda 2 tank was the main defence against Italian and early german armour. I'm mystified by the conspicuous lack. Then, of later tanks, the Centurion and Challenger 2 are world renowned for their abilities, so where are they represented in 1/16 scale. Yes, I've seen that Heng Long have a challenger..but it's massively overdue... I'd love to model a Cromwell, or a Matilda. Oh well.
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:12 pm
by jarndice
You my friend are knocking at an open door,
I have lost track of the amount of promises, rumours and downright lies that said that any or all of the Tanks you named were just around the corner,
As it is the Challenger 2 is just now arriving from China curtesy of HENG LONG,
CHRIS in Germany is doing a build on this Forum of a CENTURIAN which will go into limited production, but none of the big manufacturers seem interested,
I despair because there were so many variants of the CENTURIAN which were sold and built all over the world that I honestly believe that whoever does mass produce a 1/16 r/c Centurian will clean up.
shaun
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:29 pm
by MichaelC
As shaun says, there are actually NO 1/16 British tanks from the manufacturers. You will see lots of mod Sherman into Fireflys, but the rest are basically from Christian Ludwig, who has kits for Cromwell and Comet. I recently did a Comet from him and it was brilliant.
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MichaelC.
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:43 pm
by jackalope
WHOE, WHOE, WHOE, now hold on just a minute, what do you mean the British had their own tanks during WWII? I'm SURE if the Brits ACTUALLY did have their own tanks during WWII the model and R/C companies of the world would have produced them LONG before now! Or did the British just not engage anyone in tank on tank combat in WWII? No, I just can not believe that NO manufactures haven't produced any British tanks IF the Brits actually had any tanks of their own that ever saw duty in the war. No I'm thinking that the only tanks every used by the allies in the war were fielded by the U.S. and Canadians with the Brits getting some of our tanks to use just in case a German tank got past all of the U.S. and Canadian tanks and troops. There's a reason no British tanks are being built, the British tanks must never have seen any real combat in WWII.

LOL! GOTCHA didn't I? This is the STUPIDEST thing EVER! Look at how many German tanks these manufacturers make but NONE make any British tanks?

Whats wrong with this picture? H/L, Taigen and Torro NEED to pull their heads out of their collective hind parts and stop insulting the memories of all the UK troops who fought and died protecting their homes and families from the Germans and start offering the machines they used to do so.
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:10 pm
by 43rdRecceReg
Ah, Jackalope,..or something beginning with jack...you must be the jester, wind- up artist and satirist on the forum! Well, pleased to meet you, pal! But really, I just refuse to build a Sherman, as a lot of good Tommies were 'cooked' in them...and, even one with the 'Firefly' mod...because, at the risk of causing offence, it's a fairly ugly tank compared with the Comet, or the Centurion. I could even have waltzed with Matilda. Though they all look unrefined when compared to the King Tiger....but maybe the germans exaggerated its performance..they've been know to do that!
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:20 pm
by 43rdRecceReg
Yes, Jarndice
I saw some swiss centurions on my trip there in July. They bought quite a few of them and, while the swiss are not going to war, they have some tremendous defensive gear. They the centurion in service into the 1960s- up gunned, of course. I heard that a centurion was also used during a nuclear test; placed within 500 meters of ground zero and, after a little work, and some fuel it still ran. Then it was used by the Aussies in Vietnam. It remains a gate guardian to this day. Now, that deserves a model. Great machine.
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:30 pm
by jarndice
I am sorry to disagree with you "43" but the simple truth is that for all the Sherman's failings in whatever guise, without it, the British, Canadian and American armies would have been thrashed in Northern Europe in 1944/45,
Think about this for a minute, German industry turned out approximately 1,380 Tiger 1s, the American Auto industry made about 50,000 Sherman's!!!
Too many men died in "TOMMY COOKER'S" but we could not produce anywhere near enough of our own Tanks of whatever quality to hold our own, let alone defeat German armour,
As a patriotic citizen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, a country I was proud to fight for with 15 years service, I stand up looking to the West and declare GOD BLESS AMERICA

and not just for the Sherman Tank. but the selfless sacrifice of the cream of America's young men. We will remember.
shaun.
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:59 pm
by jackalope
43rdRecceReg wrote:Ah, Jackalope,..or something beginning with jack...you must be the jester, wind- up artist and satirist on the forum! Well, pleased to meet you, pal! But really, I just refuse to build a Sherman, as a lot of good Tommies were 'cooked' in them...and, even one with the 'Firefly' mod...because, at the risk of causing offence, it's a fairly ugly tank compared with the Comet, or the Centurion. I could even have waltzed with Matilda. Though they all look unrefined when compared to the King Tiger....but maybe the germans exaggerated its performance..they've been know to do that!
Ummm.... Mr.Recruit, bad form.
My above post was made in jest, hence the second paragraph which should have cleared that up. I am now and have been since becoming a member of this fine forum well aware of the lack of British armor being set forth for us to purchase and have stated more then once (with you being a new member this would not be known to you) I feel it wrong and have even submitted votes, wrote letters to and made phone calls to dealers and suppliers to try to rectify this shameful over sight of the companies that build these tanks that British armor needs to be represented MUCH more then it currently is. I agree whole heartedly in regards to the Sherman and would LOVE to see some true British armor to which I had said this repeatedly and have been posting LONG before you were a new recruit to our forum. I'm not sure if you missed the second paragraph of my post or not but I would invite you to re-read my entire post once again and if you have any questions as to its meaning I'm sure I can help you with understanding what I have wrote.
I have never name called anyone in this forum and do not appreciate it being done toward me. All it shows is the name caller unable to put forth his thoughts without resorting to behavior that I consider beneath this fine forum and its the other members. Perhaps I have mistaken your reply to me and if that is the case I would like to sincerely apologize for scolding you, if however your response to me was how it appears the scolding would seem well needed. I would hope you use it as a learning experience to know whom you are speaking to, what they are speaking about, and what they have spoken about before you were a member.
Good day sir.
Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:03 am
by jackalope
jarndice wrote:I am sorry to disagree with you "43" but the simple truth is that for all the Sherman's failings in whatever guise, without it, the British, Canadian and American armies would have been thrashed in Northern Europe in 1944/45,
Think about this for a minute, German industry turned out approximately 1,380 Tiger 1s, the American Auto industry made about 50,000 Sherman's!!!
Too many men died in "TOMMY COOKER'S" but we could not produce anywhere near enough of our own Tanks of whatever quality to hold our own, let alone defeat German armour,
As a patriotic citizen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, a country I was proud to fight for with 15 years service, I stand up looking to the West and declare GOD BLESS AMERICA

and not just for the Sherman Tank. but the selfless sacrifice of the cream of America's young men. We will remember.
shaun.
Shaun, Thank you.

Re: Dummy Tanks
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:33 am
by 43rdRecceReg
Yep, Jarndice,
I wouldn't disagree with you at all.No doubt the outcome could have been very different without the doughboys, the B17s, M4s, Shermans., merchant ships, lend lease and so on (even some duff destroyers). But sometimes, I just wish we'd celebrate a bit more the bits we did, the soldiers and civilians we lost,and what we invented to move the war forward. Still mystified by the absence of the flail tank, and other 'Hobart's funnies'. Of later tanks, what about the Chieftain ?(I got in one of those once at RAF Wroughton). That was regarded as the best tank ever built, and surely more deserving of a model say, than a modern Japanese main battle tank, or the M41 Walker,don't you think? Don't forget too, than on D-Day, the majority of troops on the Normandy beaches were actually British (more so when you include Anzacs and Canadians of British heritage. Just look at the number of 'Mac/Mc s' on the war memorials, for example. I have.
As a by the by, are you really a fan of Bleak House? You've picked a distinction nom de guerre there, and I couldn't help but notice it. Funnily enough, the spell checker here tries to convert it into 'jaundice'...not kidding! Anyway, I must read up on Chris's Cromwell project in Germany...as a potential brit tank source, or maybe Santa will bring me a Challenger, if I send him a wee request. At least I'm that much nearer the North Pole than the rest of ye.