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Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 5:57 pm
by STEINER
Can anybody give me a link for the camo scheme for a late version Tiger. Preferably that used by Wittmann in Normandy. I'm especially looking for pictures of the camo scheme from above. If anybody could mail me a picture of a kit plan of this scheme I would appreciate it.

Thanks.

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:08 pm
by Rivetcounter
Steiner,
Wittmann used several tanks in Normandy which tank are you after reproducing

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:08 pm
by FireflyKeith
Have a look here towards the bottom of the page.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... n%26sa%3DN

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:03 pm
by tiger205
hi steiner
              this link will take you to the paint schemes on the alan hanby Tiger site, you should find what you want there, its where i got the camo scheme for my Tiger, wittmans "205"  http://www.alanhamby.com/paint.shtml hope it helps

            Tony 8)

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:00 pm
by STEINER
Rivetcounter wrote: Steiner,
Wittmann used several tanks in Normandy which tank are you after reproducing
RIVETCOUNTER,  231 or OO7 were the camo colours of Tanks I was interested in. Was there much variation apart from serial numbers in the camo scheme of the Tigers he used ? or were the camo schemes similar?

Thanks to the FireflyKeith and Tiger205 for the other links.

To anybody else Im still looking for an over head/look down view of this scheme.

Cheers.  ;D

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:07 pm
by STEINER
Hi Oz,

Thanks for the scanned pictures of 007. Thats interesting, the road wheels are not the later pressed steel type, although this is a 1944 Late version Tiger.

I see it has at least 3 aerials ? was 007 the Command/communication Tiger ?

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:31 pm
by Rivetcounter
Will have a look through my books for pictures of 231 and 007, of the three Tiger abteilungs serving in Normandy SS101 LAH received there tanks first some were mid Tigers mainly serving in the 3rd company and 1st company, there has been a great deal of debate over the command Tigers of this abtilung007, 008, 009 according to the inventory one was a mid command Tiger some historians place 007 as a mid Tiger to my knowledge there is only one picture of 007 this is after the Tiger was knocked out and had it's turret blown off looking at the rear of the Tiger the tools are laid out in typical late command style which differs from the normal late Tiger one feature which places 007 as a late Tiger without a shadow of doubt is the crew heater mounted below the left exhaust also on the escape hatch of the turret the hinge is cut so the armoured ring can be fitted these three features make 007 a late Tiger, as has been said before the camo pattern is mainly down to artistic licence but the typical pattern for the abteilung is known you may not get the pattern completely correct but no one is alive today who could tell you otherwise 

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:03 am
by tiger205
i got to agree with rivet', of all the evidence i have seen and read 007 was a late model, as rivet said- "looking at the rear of the Tiger the tools are laid out in typical late command style which differs from the normal late Tiger one feature which places 007 as a late Tiger without a shadow of doubt is the crew heater mounted below the left exhaust also on the escape hatch of the turret the hinge is cut so the armoured ring can be fitted these three features make 007 a late Tiger"- i cant see that these details could be retro fitted to a early version, even so as you say oz  no one will ever know beyond a shadow of a doubt so you can use artistic licence and taste, and produce a good authentic model,

                Tony 8)
ps the idler on the pic's looks like the smaller late type also

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:27 am
by Rivetcounter
Com-on Oz have a look at the pictures that have bee kindly supplied by Tony, you have seen these many times yourself, I know it's Friday night and possibly the beer is talking but to try and suggest that it's an early Tiger retro fitted is ridiculous, yes Tigers where returned to the factory for rebuild with the exception of tracks and wheels things like crew heaters wouldn't have been fitted nor would the tool stowage have been altered the idea being get the tank back in the field ASAP, It's well documented that when the allocation of weapons and equipment was concerned the SS got preferential treatment and in the SS the LAH got everything first, units like Fehrmann got hybrids not the LAH

Re: Late Tiger, Normandy/ Wittmann colour scheme Link wanted.

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:27 am
by Ex_Pat_Tanker
Alright calm down guys, I've been hitting the beers myself (crappy week at the office and all that), but lets try to play nice here...

If anybody has photo evidence, then please post it (I will be building '007' later this year, and I need reference material too :) )- the only pic I've seen is Wittmans 007 with its turret blown off in the foreground, and the rear of the hull in the background, square on to the camera (Which Tony has already posted), so no way of telling what it was running on - might be steel based on the small looking idlers, might be rubber if its a 'cut n shut' from the 'repo depo'...
Oz has a point in that generally the command tanks were older vehicles, and Rivetcounter is equally valid in saying that the SS units got the best kit.
Personally, I'm leaning towards 007 being a steel wheeled Tiger based on reading accounts of the crews complaining about having to drive their tanks from Paris to Normandy, and the toll that the trip extracted on the running gear and tracks - there was a specific quote about how their earlier Tigers ran on rubber in Russia, and how much that was easier on the tracks. There was no mention of "those lucky sos and so's in the command tanks had old models with rubber wheels and came off better!" or anything like that.
BUT as I said, until somebody shows me a picture of the real deal I'm not going to say that anybody is wrong here.

I'm going to have to draw the proverbial line in the sand here, and suggest no further posts unless somebody has something constructive to add to STEINER's orginal question.
Thanks,
Mart