My late Tiger conversion (Taigen)

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Hi Herman, I'm not sure thats right? This is a J4 which is the full smoking system whereas the J5 is the cannon smoker.

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I did double check online and image search isn't hugely helpful as they look very similar. The main difference seems to be the cannon smoker comes with a circuit board and the element chamber has an air intake and outlet on the sides with a filler inlet on the top, like the one pictured on the box.
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Yip, the board is different for the barrel smoking system...............but the hardware is the same.
The version I sent in the link is a pure engine smoke unit, is smaller, is proportional, doesn't heat up as much and doesnt leap around like Zippity on Steroids!!
Just a point of consideration is all. Your mileage may vary !
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Ah ok I’m with you. I’ll see how I get on as its really impressive and its not like I use the smoker indoors under normal circumstances.

I resolved the speaker situation in the end by making a little pedestal out of Green Stuff with some magnets on the bottom and attached it to the speaker with some double sided foam tape.

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The pedestal supports the speaker on one end while the hull, battery and battery cables support the other. The torsion bars under the electronics deck were enough for the magnets to grab onto, so I didn’t need to glue the bottom magnet in place. When I want to take the battery out, I just lift speaker up and out the way, and is very snug when in place so theres no movement or vibration. Not the prettiest solution, but very functional.

While it had the correct plug I opted to use some of the wiring that came with my new MFU and lengthen the wires for the rotation motor to make it easier when opening the tank up. After this and rewiring the machine gun to have the correct plug after a successful test the lower hull was complete.

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Things got a bit trickier with the turret. Luckily the Taigen recoil system works just fine with the 7.1, albeit the wrong way round (the gun extends then retracts when firing). Luckily HL thought to include a button on the MFU to reverse the servo operation after which it worked perfectly, though the wiring could do with being a bit longer.

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The mass of wires is quite intimidating to try and decipher but luckily with the help of this fine forum and some wiring diagrams what I needed to do was a bit clearer. The recoil control board, and killswitch were removed entirely, and the remaining components were all spun off into their own separate circuits. The only one left as is was the airsoft trigger, the elevation motor, coaxial LED and airsoft motor all got rewired. As before, to assist with opening the tank as well as to avoid any issues when rotating the turret 360 degrees without a slip ring, I lengthed the wires.

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The gun with its new and much longer wiring.

I tested each system individually as I rewired them with little issue, although for some reason Taigen and Heng Long seem to have their polarities reversed on nearly everything. This isn’t too bad with the LEDs at least because at least with those you can just plug it in the other way round. Once all systems were tested and working, I then went to test it as a complete package.

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Success! Now I just had put it all back together again. Seeing as the killswitch had been removed, I installed a magnet into the loaders hatch should I wish to mount a figurine at any point.

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After that it was time for some test runs, and I’m happy to say that the conversion to 7.1 has been successful with zero loss of any previous functionality.



Its no exaggeration to say it has completely transformed the tank in terms of looks (in motion) and feel, and that’s not getting into the all the improvements over the years from the V2. I got pretty good at driving in as slow and realistic manner as is possible with the V2 and this in comparison is absurdly easy to drive and perform complex manoeuvres. I've still got to tidy up the turret wiring a bit and I'm experimenting with the various customisation options with the MFU, but count me as extremely impressed so far.

If anyone is reading this who is contemplating changing out a V2 or V3 Taigen for the Heng Long 7.1, go for it. Just make sure it’s a 7.1 and not a 7.0, as you’ll need the servo connections for the Taigen recoil to work.
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Foolishly after I was starting to think this model was basically done for good my Tiger decided to correct this assumption and blew up its recoil servo – after making a horrendous high pitched whine the recoil ceased to function. I took it apart to see what had happened and it seems not only is the motor completely dead but several teeth have broken off one of the cogs. The servo motor has been making weird twitchy noises for months now so I’m wondering if the motor was on its way out for some time and managed to break the cogs in the process of its death throes.

Luckily I was able to source a replacement almost immediately, and its definitely of better quality than the one that came with the turret. Metal gears as well so hopefully this won’t happen again. A quick test before taking the turret apart confirmed it was working.

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Theoretically it should have been a straight swap but because nothing is ever simple in this world the new servo was just slightly too big to fit between the guide rails on the airsoft gun. Annoying but nothing a file couldn’t solve.

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After that it was a fairly straightforward job to secure the new servo with the bracket and hook it up to the gun.

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Works a treat but is very loud compared to the original, but if that’s the price I have to pay to avoid plastic parts grenading themselves so be it. It would have been a very simple repair if not for the fact I’ve got to remove the turret from the hull and then take the turret apart, then put it all back together again.
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Thats nice work Mr Ludikrous, any chance of a pic of how you secured the barrel end to the servo pull rod please mate ?
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:D Hello, are these metal sprockets that have broken? if so? mechanically a problem? Have you checked the power of the new one compared to the old one? if all times a reference or mark on it?
, superb work, just a little aesthetic remark? use Thermo sheath, on your wires, instead of this ugly black tape (personal opinion) For Mr. Bix, I would let our friend explain the attachment to the barrel, but it's difficult to make it simpler
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HERMAN BIX wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:16 am Thats nice work Mr Ludikrous, any chance of a pic of how you secured the barrel end to the servo pull rod please mate ?
Thanks. Yeah I have this from when I was repainting the tank.

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I've never removed the rod so its like how it came from new. It came with a spare rod, and looking at that I would say there is a hole in the barrel that the rod hooks into and is then secured with a sticky tape band.
Jofaur86 wrote: Sat Sep 21, 2024 9:50 am :D Hello, are these metal sprockets that have broken? if so? mechanically a problem? Have you checked the power of the new one compared to the old one? if all times a reference or mark on it?
, superb work, just a little aesthetic remark? use Thermo sheath, on your wires, instead of this ugly black tape (personal opinion) For Mr. Bix, I would let our friend explain the attachment to the barrel, but it's difficult to make it simpler
I opened it up and the gears are definitely toast. They're only nylon by the looks of things so I'm not entirely surprised they didnt last an hugely long time.

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Honestly I'm not willing to expend any real effort in diagnosing this component as a new, much improved, servo is only £6. I should probably do something better aesthetically when covering up soldered wires but trusty electrical tape is just so easy.
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:D Yes indeed, but there are servos at Imax with metal gears Type ES08 MAII, and approximately identical price, OK for the tape, just a suggestion, like that
Maybe also grease the sliding part of the barrel? to make it easier to slide? if I'm not wrong? seems to me to have read, that Mr.Bix? used graphite? in one of his posts...
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Yip, graphite works a treat and doesn’t attract dust.
Thanks for the barrel connections pic, a good idea that !
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Jofaur86 wrote: Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:43 pm :D Yes indeed, but there are servos at Imax with metal gears Type ES08 MAII, and approximately identical price, OK for the tape, just a suggestion, like that
Maybe also grease the sliding part of the barrel? to make it easier to slide? if I'm not wrong? seems to me to have read, that Mr.Bix? used graphite? in one of his posts...
Yeah thats actually the servo that I installed, have to say I'm happy with the results so far although its far too early to tell how reliable it is compared to the original.

I'm looking at repainting the wood on the upper deck as I'm not tremendously happy with how I originally did it but I think visually I think I have taken this as far as its going to go. It still looks a bit factory fresh but thats nothing that can't be solved by going full speed through some mud.

I'm considering adding barrel smoke as I've seen someone on this very forum who did it with a Heng Long tank and kept the airsoft functionality, so I know it can be done. Its just figuring out exactly how with the Taigen innards. Barrel smoke isn't the cheapest addition either some I'm umming and aaahing over whether its worth doing, or if I should direct those funds toward my Panther.

The next project I'm aiming to start spring 2025 is a captured Panther in British service heavily inspired by Cuckoo. I'm going to build it with all the lessons learned from my Tiger so it should turn out quite well without the various pitfalls I fell into before.
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