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Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:44 pm
by Jofaur86

the famous G? it would seem that it is a relation with the General Gudérian, designer of the German armored weapon, he applied the doctrine of the lightning war, including the intensive use of the tanks, France 1940, Russia 1941 (source Wikipedia ) now no confirmation? but would seem plausible ??
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 11:52 pm
by Jnewboy
Jofaur86 wrote:
the famous G? it would seem that it is a relation with the General Gudérian, designer of the German armored weapon, he applied the doctrine of the lightning war, including the intensive use of the tanks, France 1940, Russia 1941 (source Wikipedia ) now no confirmation? but would seem plausible ??
Interesting theory, I have never heard that one. There are many historical forums arguing on this subject. I tend to favor the Glysantin theory, but we will probably never know.
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Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:15 pm
by HERMAN BIX
Well I suppose anything is possible.
I have been told that the all steel wheeled Panthers unit had a team of factory engineers assigned to them to analyse the wear and performance of the steel wheel concept.
Who is to say that specifically designated machines were the focus of an engine improvement scheme.
After all, at that stage, there was no chance anyone was telling the Boss not to bother, we are about done here

Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:19 pm
by Tiger6
According to Roddy MacDougall and Martin Block's book on the Panther, the G stood for Glysantin. This was only to be used in the winter, as the higher summer temperatures would cause the additives in the coolant to break down and boil off. When spring came around, the coolant would have to be flushed completely, and the summer coolant Akorol was to be used. The 2 could not be mixed without causing damage to the engine. The book mentions that the service manuals would have instructions to paint over the G marking once the coolant had been changed, but doesn't give a source that I can verify that against.
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 10:32 pm
by EAO
Interesting! I always assumed it was for Guderian too? Possibly earlier in the war with other tanks though?

At any rate; Jnewboy, another marvelous creation. Watching along as always!
Cheers,
Eric.
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 11:17 pm
by Tiger6
EAO wrote:Interesting! I always assumed it was for Guderian too? Possibly earlier in the war with other tanks though?

At any rate; Jnewboy, another marvelous creation. Watching along as always!
Cheers,
Eric.
During Operation Barbarossa the Army group commander's initial was painted on the fenders of the vehicles (G for Guderian, K for Von Kleist etc), but this died out with the end of that operation as far as I know. By the time they get to the Ardennes offensive, they aren't even supposed to be painting unit markings on their vehicles.
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 7:00 am
by Jnewboy
EAO wrote:Interesting! I always assumed it was for Guderian too? Possibly earlier in the war with other tanks though?

At any rate; Jnewboy, another marvelous creation. Watching along as always!
Cheers,
Eric.
Thanks my friend, I appreciate the kind words, Im debating the quantity of spots, do you guys think I should remove some before weathering?
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:16 am
by Jofaur86
Hello
pensez-vous que je devrais en enlever avant de vieillir?
Magnificent work, but for me, one can load too much in points. Perhaps it would have been necessary to make the aging, to see what gives and possibly, to add. But you should know that apart from the historical reconstruction, the main one being that corresponds to your expectation (it is your work) and you like it. Good luck and good day.
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:03 am
by HERMAN BIX
Its a coolant/antifreeze still made today by German company BASF.
The link above has a pic of a Jagdtiger with the reference on it.
Also another product called Akorol which was a very poisonous product which could not be mixed with normal coolant.
As is the case today, different coolants have base compounds that do not mix with others and so must be flushed very well before going to another product.
Tanks they may be, but still automotive machines with the same fragility as any other.
Great to have the old marking 'G' cleared up.
Well it certainly is for me anyway.
Taking things at face value its more important to know what your precious engines are running rather than who is in charge so you can look after them accordingly.
Re: Ardennes King Tiger - Jnewboy Customs
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:45 pm
by EAO
Tiger6 wrote:
During Operation Barbarossa the Army group commander's initial was painted on the fenders of the vehicles (G for Guderian, K for Von Kleist etc), but this died out with the end of that operation as far as I know. By the time they get to the Ardennes offensive, they aren't even supposed to be painting unit markings on their vehicles.[/quote]
Thank you Tiger6 for clearing away the cobwebs from my mind!
Herman, great find! Interesting articles.
Jnewboy; as to the spots, I really like it the way it is IMHO!
Cheers,
Eric.