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velthal wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:21 pm I see that hl and mato have come a long way from what I have now.
But i don't know what to build with this stuff. what kind of tiger can i make from what i have with minimal modifications?
Simply stated (I am not a tiger expert) You have an early version Tiger I with the Feifel external air pre-filters (early Tigers were used in Africa). The filters were generally removed when back in Europe. The rubber tired road wheels were used on early and mid Tigers but the commanders cupola was changed on the mid and late versions. The late Tiger got a slightly different track (chevrons) a smaller track idler and steel rimmed road wheels. There are plenty of other things like headlight(s), tool storage, turret top changes and others.

So to answer your question, focus on an early tiger with or without Feifels and build it to suit you. I've no proof but I am sure some early Tigers made it to the end of the war so your paint job/camo is up to you. Depending what period of the war could give aid to what camo pattern used and how much wear and damage incurred (missing or bent fenders, battle damage, zimmerite or not and so forth.
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velthal wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:21 pm

I see that hl and mato have come a long way from what I have now.
But i don't know what to build with this stuff. what kind of tiger can i make from what i have with minimal modifications?
This will be of no use to you at all. But this is what come of buying a Tiger. An early, or mid looks possible.
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velthal wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:08 am it seems I can change 550 to brushless :))

btw, is it easy to change? I have brushless 540 and brushed 80t
It's easy to change the motors to brushless, but the electronics wouldn't support that. Brushed motors use...well brushes that touch the commutator inside them and have positive and negative wire. Brushless motors work on a completely different mode of operation and require 3-wires and have no brushes touching the commutator. Brushless motors need a combination of pulses on the 3 motor poles to make them spin. A brushed motor runs off straight DC current. Therefore the electronics to support brushless are different than brushed motors. That of course is an over simplification of the differences.
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Velthala :)
can we help you in your choice? you will find attached the history of the Tiger I according to different periods of construction. On the other hand, as said in a previous message, I think that perhaps you should have chosen another option? Is this tank intended to be RC or Static? Originally....
Link Tiger I
http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html
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Aim for an Initial Production Tiger. It’s a Tiger in its purest form. You’ll end up disliking me though.
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Ecam wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 3:23 pm I did say I was cheap. I'm sure there are replacement torsion springs out there but my method would try to re-twist the torsions. Nothing to lose as long as replacements are available. Just do write down what angles you are starting with (two lines "X") and then tweak with a couple pliers or such. You will need to pay attention to which way to twist of course to increase or decrease tension. And then like others on the forum and in many threads have suggested, consider resting the tanks on blocks/spacers when not in use. Most of my tanks are feather weights but a few are heavier and get parked on blocks.
The torsion stands have a square base that fits into the square slot of the side rails. Therefore, fine tuning is not possible there(
And I am using a stand for my tigers :)
Ecam wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 6:02 pm
velthal wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:21 pm I see that hl and mato have come a long way from what I have now.
But i don't know what to build with this stuff. what kind of tiger can i make from what i have with minimal modifications?
Simply stated (I am not a tiger expert) You have an early version Tiger I with the Feifel external air pre-filters (early Tigers were used in Africa). The filters were generally removed when back in Europe. The rubber tired road wheels were used on early and mid Tigers but the commanders cupola was changed on the mid and late versions. The late Tiger got a slightly different track (chevrons) a smaller track idler and steel rimmed road wheels. There are plenty of other things like headlight(s), tool storage, turret top changes and others.

So to answer your question, focus on an early tiger with or without Feifels and build it to suit you. I've no proof but I am sure some early Tigers made it to the end of the war so your paint job/camo is up to you. Depending what period of the war could give aid to what camo pattern used and how much wear and damage incurred (missing or bent fenders, battle damage, zimmerite or not and so forth.
I like the early one, but there are nuances. There are two gun ports in the turret, while everywhere else there is a hatch. How to replace the port hatch in a metal. The turret, I don't get it yet.))
Also, different front mudguards, different exhaust. Different headlights. I don't know what else.
Meter rat wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:23 pm
velthal wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 1:21 pm

I see that hl and mato have come a long way from what I have now.
But i don't know what to build with this stuff. what kind of tiger can i make from what i have with minimal modifications?
This will be of no use to you at all. But this is what come of buying a Tiger. An early, or mid looks possible.

I take it that to make a medium or early taigen/mato, just fixing the mistakes is enough? Are there a lot of them?
tankme wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:53 pm
velthal wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:08 am it seems I can change 550 to brushless :))

btw, is it easy to change? I have brushless 540 and brushed 80t
It's easy to change the motors to brushless, but the electronics wouldn't support that. Brushed motors use...well brushes that touch the commutator inside them and have positive and negative wire. Brushless motors work on a completely different mode of operation and require 3-wires and have no brushes touching the commutator. Brushless motors need a combination of pulses on the 3 motor poles to make them spin. A brushed motor runs off straight DC current. Therefore the electronics to support brushless are different than brushed motors. That of course is an over simplification of the differences.
Thank you. That's an interesting description. I was referring to using an external regulator.
Jofaur86 wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:28 pm Velthala :)
can we help you in your choice? you will find attached the history of the Tiger I according to different periods of construction. On the other hand, as said in a previous message, I think that perhaps you should have chosen another option? Is this tank intended to be RC or Static? Originally....
Link Tiger I
http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html
Thanks more for the link, seems like just what I need.
Jimster wrote: Fri Aug 16, 2024 12:34 am Aim for an Initial Production Tiger. It’s a Tiger in its purest form. You’ll end up disliking me though.
I want one standard and one very early. But I don't know which one to use to make a very early one. The point is to figure out which one will be less work.

Okay, I realized what criteria I am interested in:
No filters, no side screens, no standard turret box or non-standard (example, tiger 100), no mount for spare tracks on the frontal plate.
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:) Hello,like this one? No turret box, no Feiffel filters, 2 front headlights of the tank, tank commander hatch with vertical opening, and smoke traps at the upper chassis angles
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8O forget? Sorry
Logistically, the Tiger had to be able to travel 195 km on the road and 110 km off-road before refueling.
In terms of speed, it is comparable to that of other German tanks of the time. It has the same speed as other German tanks. The Tiger I d has a road speed of 38 km/h. compared to 20 km/h off-road.
In comparison, the Panzer IV has a road speed of 40 km/h. and 20 Kms/h off-road, the Panzer III (Ausf E to N) road speed of 40 Kms/h. and 18 km/h off-road,
The only German tank faster than the Tiger I was the Panther, with a speed of 46 km/h on the road and 24 km/h off-road.
But it was slower than most of its opponents, such as the Soviet T34 tank.
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To support the weight of the Tiger, the tracks have an unusual width of 725 mm wide. To meet railway restrictions on width, during transport, the first row of rollers must be removed and 520 mm tracks are installed (transport tracks). With a good crew, a change takes 20 minutes.
The Tiger is very maneuverable off-road with its 725 mm wide tracks, which resulted in a ground pressure of 1.05 kg/cm². And it could pivot on the spot 3.44 meters
To reiterate, Tiger was not a clumsy beast and it was superior to the Sherman in muddy terrain, despite its size and weight, thanks to its pressure on the ground.
The Tiger I was a very maneuverable tank, especially for its weight and size, but had its shortcomings. The need to change tracks during rail transport is one of them
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velthal wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:13 am The torsion stands have a square base that fits into the square slot of the side rails. Therefore, fine tuning is not possible there
I meant re-bending the wire (silver) spring to add back in tension where time has taken some out. Just start small - that is what I why said look at the spring and write down where each spring is staring at
velthal wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:13 am
I like the early one, but there are nuances. There are two gun ports in the turret, while everywhere else there is a hatch. How to replace the port hatch in a metal. The turret, I don't get it yet.))
Also, different front mudguards, different exhaust. Different headlights. I don't know what else.

I take it that to make a medium or early taigen/mato, just fixing the mistakes is enough? Are there a lot of them?
Jofaur86 wrote: Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:28 pm Velthala :)
can we help you in your choice? you will find attached the history of the Tiger I according to different periods of construction. On the other hand, as said in a previous message, I think that perhaps you should have chosen another option? Is this tank intended to be RC or Static? Originally....
Link Tiger I
http://www.alanhamby.com/tiger.html
It looks like you got some good references. We also have...

What to fix: (where this thread is) viewforum.php?f=35

Tiger I section: viewforum.php?f=134

A little skimming in these areas and books and internet research is where you can find the info to fix or modify into what you want in your tank.

Tigers, Panzer III & IV Shermans and a few other tanks ran many years from prototype to final versions, Pistol ports came and went (and came again). Hatches added, changed and deleted. Tracks, wheels and sprockets changed and so on.

Yes modifying a "metal" turret is more difficult than plastic. Your turret is a pretty good version of an early production Tiger I, like used in Tunisia and the 131 Bovington Tiger.
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Jofaur86 wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:23 am :) Hello,like this one? No turret box, no Feiffel filters, 2 front headlights of the tank, tank commander hatch with vertical opening, and smoke traps at the upper chassis angles
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Yep. I like it!


А. There is an option to just flip torsion springs in place.

The problem is photobucket - not available for me :(
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