Tanker Handguns 2..USA and Russian

[jarndice]

43RR,Hi, I smiled at being described as "Arty" My lady would laugh for a week if she heard me described as such,
In my previous employment my Browning was the WEAPON OF LAST RESORT as it was for most soldiers, and if you are fumbling for the safety you had a fair chance of losing the most important race in your life, as to the complexity of stripping down a weapon, as in most things Practice and familiarity overcome the most complex piece of equipment.
(Remember the first Bra Strap you were allowed to undo and how impossible it was Then remember how easy it has become since) Everyman in my platoon could strip down to as far as the firing pin any section weapon and reassemble it in the dark, We all knew it could be our or our friends life if we failed,
I would be surprised if that was not true of every soldier in any army who fancied living past the end of the week.
Ammunition quality is often forgotten,
When the SAS were first offered the Heckler & Koch Sub Machine Gun they accepted it because one of the claims made for it was its accuracy and yet when firing issue Ammo it was no more accurate than an UZI, they were then told that a contributing factor was the POLISH MADE AMMUNITION, unfortunately this being in the Cold War obtaining Warsaw Pact Arms and Ammunition was not the same as filling out a requisition form in the Armoury,
Needless to say the Diplomatic bag was a little heavier one day and the trial was carried out with great success, after that I lost track of how resupply was arranged.
shaun.

[jackalope]

All the U.S. special forces have gone back to using the .45 for stopping power. They say they find that 2 in the chest and 1 in the head of .45 stops terrorists better then the 9mm. However I'm sure either will stop them equally well by putting 2 in their chest and 1 in their head!

[43rdRecceReg]

A-Ha, Well herman what did you make of the Tokarev? Personally I preferred it to the 1911, despite the slightly odd angle of the handgrip. My son's model was made in 1940, and looked well used (I shudder to think on whom); but remains in excellent condition. The items you list in your collection have some drool-worthy names attached to them. A really rare Luger, would be one commissioned during the 1914-18 War by the Netherlands government, and built by- of all firms- Vickers in the UK!! Surviving models are stamped 1924, and 1925, apparently. 10,000 were ordered, but nobody knows how many were delivered. Only a handful survive, but look beautifully made.

[43rdRecceReg]

Messrs J and J again,
I had to belly laugh, nay even guffaw, at the bra strap analogy!! But that still doesn't compare with getting the old foreskin trapped in a troublesome zip at a critical moment! Nor the howls that ensue..The Bra' just goes over the head in desperate situations,and never mind the apologetic fumbling! As for 'arty', I thought you'd appreciate that. It's often claimed that left-handers often excel in the Arts (Leonardo, Chaplin, McCartney, Hendrix, Lewis Carroll, Harpo Marx etc.,...but you also get 'not a lot' Paul Daniels ). Yes, I can see your issue with 'last resort' option, but in WW1 that would have been, eye-gouging, hand made maces, and sharpened shovels! I play the guitar/bass/ drums- though not simultaneousy- and the co-ordination needed certainly helps with general manipulation/ hand eye challenges, and thus practice with both hands makes perfect.., and it's also great for developing new neural pathways...or so they say.
Back on the .45, i thought the SAS, Special forces, Most European Police Forces, and most Swat type teams preferred the 9mm Glock or SiG P226. That's certainly what I've seen...but anyway, there is something definitely SINISTER, literally, about lefties

[ALPHA]

Now Gentlemen...this is turning out to quite the discussion....What would be the bottom line on these weapons....IMO...aside from being "issued" a hand gun....I would think it boils down to personal preference ....I've been lucky enough to handle many a hand gun....and My Personal preference would be the Colt 45 it just feels right ...I can shoot two handed with them ...the Tokarev is a nice gun...but the "Feel" isn't there for me...Grip angle balance Gas release all play into it...The Glock is a bit of an enigma ....some don't like the steep angle of the grip...for me it doesn't really matter....with that said though...I prefer the Sig over the Glock
The downside to the Sig and Glock for me is...though the feel is good...I can't hit the side of a barn with either in my left hand


ALPHA

[ALPHA]

This is one I would like to try....never got a chance while in the service...but the concept is good


Seen a lot in movies and video games...looks like a hard hitting impressive weapon

ALPHA

[greengiant]

Don't forget the 45 acp Smith and Wesson and Colt revolvers loaded with half moon clips. The ww2 US tankers shoulder holster fit them as well as the 1911 semi auto's.

[jackalope]

Have no idea about the rest of the world just the U.S. special forces guys I've talked to claim they're now being issued modern versions of the 1911 .45 with mounting rails above and below the barrel.

Now admittedly it's only been a few I've talked to but they all say they like the .45 better for stopping power then a 9mm.

The FAVORITE argument they put up for ammo capacity is that why do you need so many 9mm rounds in a magazine if you can hit what your aiming at? Or "I'd rather drop the bad guy with 1 shot from a .45 then 4 from a 9mm". I've heard both quite often.

[Ecam]

- Nambu, japanese version of the Luger, but way worse !

and more

Funny and correct at the same time.

Me like um .45 (acp).

[ALPHA]

Have no idea about the rest of the world just the U.S. special forces guys I've talked to claim they're now being issued modern versions of the 1911 .45 with mounting rails above and below the barrel.

Now admittedly it's only been a few I've talked to but they all say they like the .45 better for stopping power then a 9mm.

The FAVORITE argument they put up for ammo capacity is that why do you need so many 9mm rounds in a magazine if you can hit what your aiming at? Or "I'd rather drop the bad guy with 1 shot from a .45 then 4 from a 9mm". I've heard both quite often.

Heck you can't stop a vehicle with a dang 9mm....I kill jeeps with mine lol....yes the new 45 sport double stack clips rails on the bottom for laser pointers and top rails for assorted sights....too much for me...especially once decked out...give me a plain ol' body 45 ...way more user friendly...and the best thing ..Holsterable
Decked out...you have to carry that puppy on a sling

ALPHA