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Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:57 pm
by billpe
ALPHA wrote:billpe wrote:Sure you can use them but your finish will not be as good for the amount of effort required. They're not meant to be used as brush paints.
I dare Differ Bill...guys in Japan have used Tamiya for decades...it's the reason Tamiya has some of the best brushes ....it's all in the technique (JAPAN is well known for their brush work on just about everything ...it's a heritage...techniques sometimes handed down through a family )..really....I'm not yanking your chain
ALPHA
Calligraphy, writing poems with a brush is not the same as painting polystyrene and ABS.
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 7:08 pm
by ALPHA
billpe wrote:ALPHA wrote:billpe wrote:Sure you can use them but your finish will not be as good for the amount of effort required. They're not meant to be used as brush paints.
I dare Differ Bill...guys in Japan have used Tamiya for decades...it's the reason Tamiya has some of the best brushes ....it's all in the technique (JAPAN is well known for their brush work on just about everything ...it's a heritage...techniques sometimes handed down through a family )..really....I'm not yanking your chain
ALPHA
Calligraphy, writing poems with a brush is not the same as painting polystyrene and ABS.
Guess you've never seen their lacquer ware...Tamiya is a family based company founded by royal lacquer ware makers ...they didn't have spray or airguns back then...yet the work is unsurpassed ...similar techniques were used on Katana Scabbards
ALPHA
PS..Another Hobby....Katanas...I make Sayas

Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:29 pm
by billpe
Those two types of paint bare no relation what so ever, neither does the method of application, nor the material it was applied to.
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:37 pm
by ALPHA
billpe wrote:Those two types of paint bare no relation what so ever, neither does the method of application, nor the material it was applied to.
EXACTLY THE SAME...It's all about the technique of application...not the foundation to be applied upon....prep is included in the technique ...I can do it...not sure why anyone else can't
ALPHA
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:43 pm
by tomhugill
Because it takes much longer and usually doesn't look as good.....
You can't really use many weathering techniques such as hair spray chipping, you can't easily modulate, there's a reason most use an airbrush.
Not saying people shouldn't brush paint if they prefer it but there's a reason mot modelers use them.
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:46 pm
by ALPHA
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:52 pm
by edpanzer
Have to agree with Tom on this one I won't be painting my tank till I get an airbrush...oh and my father was a cabinet maker an when asked for a laquer finish he sprayed it on for a flawless finish
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:56 pm
by ALPHA
edpanzer wrote:Have to agree with Tom on this one I won't be painting my tank till I get an airbrush...oh and my father was a cabinet maker an when asked for a laquer finish he sprayed it on for a flawless finish
Everyone makes their own decisions Ed....as far as painting is concerned...I can do it using either method with just about any brand of paint...(maybe not Humbrol that stuff is junk

)
Carpe Diem ED
ALPHA
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:06 pm
by edpanzer
With the laquer Alpha if you brush it on you need many coats and at the end and after you've left it a few weeks to harden you still see brush marks so then you have to wet sand in with very fine paper then polish it that's how they achieved the flawless finish very labor intensive and expensive. Trust me i saw my father do this and he was a top craftsmen ( not boasting). Now with spraying he still wet sanded and polished but there was fewer coats and the drying time and labor hours were drastically reduced.
Re: Masking For Hard Edge Camo Schemes
Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:19 pm
by ALPHA
edpanzer wrote:With the laquer Alpha if you brush it on you need many coats and at the end and after you've left it a few weeks to harden you still see brush marks so then you have to wet sand in with very fine paper then polish it that's how they achieved the flawless finish very labor intensive and expensive. Trust me i saw my father do this and he was a top craftsmen ( not boasting). Now with spraying he still wet sanded and polished but there was fewer coats and the drying time and labor hours were drastically reduced.
Back in the day of lacquer Ware...they didn't have sandpaper...the paint was acrylic (water based) Timing was important...the "Technique" employed "natural" methods of speed drying...I know...I do it

.....but yes...the anglo way is to sand between coats..(painted show cars in my younger years)...totally impractical for this kind of application...but I've found a methodology that does work...have described it many times on this board...many don't pay attention much...it's their loss...but it's all there in black and white
Not Boasting...Just Saying
Carpe Diem ED
ALPHA