1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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lmcq11 wrote: Thu Oct 26, 2023 11:43 pm Hi everyone,

Back for my Spanish hiking trip in the Pyrenees. Not sure if it was the 2500m altitude, the roads with endless switchbacks, the creepy medieval villages i was staying in, or maybe i am just getting old but i never came back home so dead tired. However, it was a memorable experience and highly recommended for active guys who want to get away from it all, as long as you keep off the easier and more popular family oriented trails . Example below in the Parque Natural Posets Maladeta where i met only 4 people and felt i was Frodo hiking towards Mount Doom. Amazing sceneries.


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Love the mackerel sky!

Love the Sho't details!
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Your brass/copper work is amazing. I learn and yearn every time I see what you do!
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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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Louis, I have run out of superlatives to praise your handiwork and now you come up with a remarkable photo from a challenging hike. I believe you were born on the planet Krypton.
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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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Thank you Estnische, Ecam and Herr Professor for your encouragements, really appreciated. It makes me want to do a better job.


It was a nice warm day today, probably the last of the season so it was a good time to do the gun bluing on the tracks, something i do outside.


The TONGDE metal tracks are really good, this is something they know how to do well. They are made of solid metal, well crafted and articulated. They work perfectly. However, they are provided in bright silver, which require something to happen to make them realistic.

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The only issue with them are these 2 large mark pins on the interior side. It would have been perfect if TONGDE had found a way to avoid molding these so heavily. I thought of removing them by filing every pins with a Dremel and then a finer grit hand file to smooth it. But the metal is hard and with 214 track links to do, and with an estimated 3 minutes of work per link, i calculated it would take me about 11 hours of metal grinding and polishing work. This would completely drain my patience and hardware store, and i hate metal grinding, it has risks. I therefore decided that i could live with them.

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Same as with the M-60A1 build, i am using the Gun Bluing solution Perma Blue by Birchwook Casey. It worked perfectly with the M60 tracks so it should work as well on the Centurion tracks. The 90ml bottle can be purchased on Amazon for a few dollars and there is enough for 3 applications and touch ups for a set of tracks. Its a watery solution and does not emit any smell.

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Since it’s a kind of acid and poison, i take no chances and do it outside. Warnings on the bottle do not say much so it’s probably harmless at the touch. It does not melt skin or anything like that. Looks like a strong vinegar but if it can eat metal, who knows what else it can do. Each application is done with a used tooth brush, eye protection, long sleeves and pair of gloves, ensuring the solution goes into every area of the track links, simply brushing the tracks with the stuff. It darkens the metal on contact. Some areas of the tracks seem immune at first.

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The first application is usually inconclusive, but it preps the metal for the following application. I usually focus on the connectors on the first application. After 5 minutes waiting, the tracks are soaked in water to rinse them, cleaned up with a cotton cloth and let to dry 1 hour in the sun.

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After the second application, its already much better and we can see where this is going.

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On the third application, i focus on the sides and more difficult areas. The tracks are already good and better than any attempts using paint.

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The fourth application is mostly touch ups on specific areas, and then an overall brushing. Its close to perfection.

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Continuing on following post.
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Of course, the pins on the interior side are really annoying me but as i said, i decided to live with them.

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Not forgetting the spare links.

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The gun bluing solution is doing a great job. It does not impair the tracks or their working, and creates a smooth touch. It's perfect. I will never go back to paint on metal tracks.

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For now, i put them back on the model. They will be given a light track rust wash in the painting phase, with a flat clear coat.

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Looking good. Very happy.

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Looking good. I did my M60A2 tracks with the gun bluing and I was happy with the results so that will be my go to for silver tracks from now on also. I also don't bother weathering them as they will do that on their own as I run the tank. I think I'm also going to blue the sprockets and idlers in the future to see how it works as a "primer" for paint.
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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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The following post is for the tow cables and attachments.



As seen on all vintage picture of late Sho't Meteor, the tow cable attachment hub is placed on top of the rear plate extension. This is an area where Accurate Armour got it wrong on their 1/35 conversion kit.

There is some kind of latch in the middle, but it is difficult to get an exact picture of what it is exactly. I could only determine some basic shapes.

Each tow cable on the Centurion is made of two wires, not a single one. This is different than on most tanks.
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The latch seems longer on this one but not sure if it is a strap that is just hanging on the lock. We can also see the two separate wires on each tow cable.

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This is the material provided by TONGDE for a regular mk 5. But i can modify some of it for reuse on the Sho't meteor.

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A useless nylon cord is provided. As each Centurion tow cable is made of two steel ropes, showing a single larger wire with the wrong pattern is not realistic, at least for an IDF sho't Meteor.

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What is needed is a 1.5mm steel rope. This can be easily purchased on Amazon, very cheap at $12 dollars for a 5 meter roll, with free next day shipping with Prime membership.

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I created a new hub. This is my representation of it based on the limited information i have, looking at old pictures.

I also thinned the tubes on the TONGDE tow cable loops, they were way too thick.

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Tow cable hub is installed.

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I will probably put some kind of hinge on the interior side of the latch. I think it would be realistic but there is no information available.

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The tow steel ropes fits in the TONDGE part, the wires just need to be crushed a bit and they position themselves correctly inside the tube without breaking it.

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These are nice steel ropes, perfect. On a future built, i will likely create complete tow cables from scratch.

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Continuing on following post.
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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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There is a tow cable holder on the back of the late sho't meteor, different than anything seen on current model kits or reference. Looks like a simple raised open hand on top of a metal strip.

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It's consistent across different pictures and tanks, so that how it was on the Sho't meteor with extended hull. Again, Accurate Armour got it wrong as all reference point to this view of the holder, not as for a standard Mk 5.

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That is my representation of it.

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Tow cables are mounted on the model.

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The tow cables position themselves accurately on their own, naturally without trying to force anything.

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Regards, Louis
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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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Well stone the crows !!.................dual cables per , er, cable :crazy:
Well researched and even better executed.
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Re: 1/16 RC IDF Late Sho't Meteor Centurion with 105mm - build

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Great work, the tracks are transformed!
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