1950 Marine Pershing M26 B-12 at Inchon Part A and B and C

PainlessWolf · Post by **PainlessWolf** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:27 am

Alpha,
Indeed. I am hampered only by the usual parts wait. Now that Christmas is over, stuff should start to show up. I will admit I have been tempted to buy a basic S&S Pershing for a 100.00 US just to get the turret and airgun parts I need. I'm waiting for Dave from Forgebear tho'. Only then will I be assured that I get a modern version of the turret and not one off of a tank that has been sitting 'NIB' for years.
regards and Happy Holidays,
Painless

ALPHA · Post by **ALPHA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 3:50 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Alpha,
Indeed. I am hampered only by the usual parts wait. Now that Christmas is over, stuff should start to show up. I will admit I have been tempted to buy a basic S&S Pershing for a 100.00 US just to get the turret and airgun parts I need. I'm waiting for Dave from Forgebear tho'. Only then will I be assured that I get a modern version of the turret and not one off of a tank that has been sitting 'NIB' for years.
regards and Happy Holidays,
Painless

Depending on how you look at it ...purchasing the low end HL for the parts would probably have been a sketchy choice...the gun mech is wired different and doesn't have the point break circuit....with that said...keeping my fingers crossed for you Painless...it would be nice to see the M26 whole again ... a good way to ring in the New Year

ALPHA

PainlessWolf · Post by **PainlessWolf** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:31 pm

Alpha,
You are correct, Sir. I was assured by MidiaTech that this was the modern tank "with all parts that have to be attached" Still I am leary. I am one of those sorts who has issues starting new things with old business still on the table. I haven't even touched the Tiger yet so I really need to get B-12 repaired.
regards,
Painless

ALPHA · Post by **ALPHA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:39 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Alpha,
You are correct, Sir. I was assured by MidiaTech that this was the modern tank "with all parts that have to be attached" Still I am leary. I am one of those sorts who has issues starting new things with old business still on the table. I haven't even touched the Tiger yet so I really need to get B-12 repaired.
regards,
Painless

One thing about Mideatech... you would get it fast...it would be a new tank as their stock pretty much flies out the door...but from experience the low end gun mechs are different in the way that it doesn't have the points breaker that initiates the sound and the recoil jump...so if you used that mech...it would just have the "pop" of the airsoft piston ...it's just the nature of the beast...the low end models don't have the recoil / sound function...so HL doesn't put in the breaker

ALPHA

PainlessWolf · Post by **PainlessWolf** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:53 pm

Alpha,
That is a point of consideration. The Pershing is old enough that using the airgun and the Cannon sound\recoil were separate items on the old Crystal set. Even using HL's 2.4 GHz set and a new airgun from Forgebear during the initial rebuild did not change this. Raising the left stick on the TX fired the airgun. Hitting the 'Cannon' button on the TX triggered the recoil and ( admittedly much louder ) main gun firing sound. Another factor is that by buying another entire tank, I would once again have a lot of spares laying around. I traded most of the last set from the redo to Merlin for metal tracks, sprockets and idlers for a future Sherman build. I guess I would need to do an EBay sell as I already have lots of boards, TX's and other things taking up space as it is. I could finish the spares tank out with an older airgun but it wouldn't do to have a very nicely detailed Pershing like B-12 sitting next to a stock HL version either. The Detail Bug has bitten me long ago so any tanks I touch now get leveled up a bit before I am satisfied with having them on display and to run.
regards,
Painless

ALPHA · Post by **ALPHA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:04 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Alpha,
That is a point of consideration. The Pershing is old enough that using the airgun and the Cannon sound\recoil were separate items on the old Crystal set. Even using HL's 2.4 GHz set and a new airgun from Forgebear during the initial rebuild did not change this. Raising the left stick on the TX fired the airgun. Hitting the 'Cannon' button on the TX triggered the recoil and ( admittedly much louder ) main gun firing sound. Another factor is that by buying another entire tank, I would once again have a lot of spares laying around. I traded most of the last set from the redo to Merlin for metal tracks, sprockets and idlers for a future Sherman build. I guess I would need to do an EBay sell as I already have lots of boards, TX's and other things taking up space as it is. I could finish the spares tank out with an older airgun but it wouldn't do to have a very nicely detailed Pershing like B-12 sitting next to a stock HL version either. The Detail Bug has bitten me long ago so any tanks I touch now get leveled up a bit before I am satisfied with having them on display and to run.
regards,
Painless

So you're saying the last turret you got didn't have the breaker ? It's something I noticed when I redid my Panzer IV ...When I looked for new units ....I noticed the ones they sell separately didn't have the breaker either ...it's interesting you know Painless...because all of the replacement units even the IR units don't include the breaker... and no one sells the breaker ...rather frustrating at times looking for parts

ALPHA

PainlessWolf · Post by **PainlessWolf** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 5:17 pm

Alpha,
It would not be so bad if 90% or so of the photos illustrating the parts to buy on various websites were completely inaccurate, along with the one line of copy stating what the item is and what it fits. Not extremely helpful. There are exceptions to the rule like Forgebear's site and rctanks.de but for the most part, aftermarket has a ways to go.
regards,
Painless

ALPHA · Post by **ALPHA** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 6:18 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Alpha,
It would not be so bad if 90% or so of the photos illustrating the parts to buy on various websites were completely inaccurate, along with the one line of copy stating what the item is and what it fits. Not extremely helpful. There are exceptions to the rule like Forgebear's site and rctanks.de but for the most part, aftermarket has a ways to go.
regards,
Painless

Usually the photo's are accurate Painless ..lol...as most don't show any wires at all ....the tricky part is knowing where that breaker is located and what it looks like...people generally won't look for it and assume it's included ....this brings us to what you say about the descriptions...and how they could be more specific...lucky for me I never ordered replacement units yet...as I did notice the breakers were missing

You remember when we spoke about building the Stug....it's the reason I'm basing the build on a Stug ... and not a Tauch or PanzerIII...it's because after doing the research... the Stug just has all the internals ...and would make for the easiest transition ...the body can always be worked ....it's the internals that are important to me

ALPHA

PainlessWolf · Post by **PainlessWolf** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:44 pm

Good Afternoon,
Received a replacement turret yesterday from MideaTech in California. These are not guys that I would normally work with but Forgebear is still busy and MatoMart had the turret halves minus the airgun but not a complete turret. I had the option to buy a complete tank but once again, a ton of un-needed parts with no guarantee that the tank you receive will be the right model. This is something that I am painfully learning as I order replacement parts. Anyway, turret in hands and I discover that it is a 2.4 Ghz turret, the newest type from HL. This turret is already a newer version than the one that I purchased from Forgebear a couple of months ago. The wiring is simplified even more ( so much so that I thought that I had received a turret minus some of the wiring. ) Only a three pin plug is there and it plugs into the three pin connector on the 8 pin mini board as standard. I tested with the new turret and all functions worked normally using the HL 2.4 GHz set. That is where the 'easy' ended. The swap over of the air gun was simple except for the ammo feed tray. HL has a new and much more 'Tamiya'-like setup for the trunnion mounts for the air gun.. The ammo feed tray no longer has the upper mount for the right side of the air gun made onto it. Results = the new ammo feed tray in the new turret is useless to me. I removed the new switch and wiring and transferred them back to the old feed tray after I pinned and glued it back together. The mount works again but there is some slack there that I am not happy with. I will need to 'find' and order an older version of the HL Pershing ammo feed tray to permanently complete the repair. This weekend I will work on repairing more detail and start on paint touchups. Once the new periscope guards arrive from ETO Armor and are mounted, B-12 will be repaired. Pictures: