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Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:37 am
by BarrelEnvy
HERMAN BIX wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 5:50 am
I just re-read.
Matt
Lacquer
Could have reacted with the product it was covering.
Lacquer does behave different to other products from what I have picked up over the years.
Don't shout @ me... but it was this varnish, not lacquer

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Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:44 am
by BarrelEnvy
Mucho dampness?
Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:24 pm
by MrChef
In my short experience I have painted mostly with spray cans from 32F +... I find the sweet spot for spraying paint is about 50F-70F. The biggest issue with the paint alone is humidity. After a few bad experiences with matte clearcoats, Tamiya and Testors. I've found to only spray those or any spray paints as close to 50% or less humidity.
Now back painting in the colder temps which I more often have to do based on my seasonal work schedule. I keep the model indoors at ambient temperature until just before spraying And I warm up the cans of spray paint in a bin with hot water from the tap. Sometimes I'll warm it up in 2 batches to make sure its all warmed up and shake it alot in between.
Spray painting absolutely can be done in the cold. It's Not ideal but it can be made to work.
Besides surface prep and the environment the only thing left is how you applied it Or a possible bad batch of paint which I have definitely heard of. And ironically I've heard of bad batches from exactly that brand.
Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:33 pm
by MrChef
BarrelEnvy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 4:41 am
Fixage options?
Trying to take the worst off with a wooden toothpick.
Pick the worst off that you can. Then evaluate if you want to try using a thinner to remove the areas with issues. Since you applied the clear coat over everything I'll let you know that scrubbing it down entirely will be a chore but will bring you back to zero. Depending on where you're located in the world will depend on what cleanser can be suggested. But at that point you''ll almost certainly need to repaint everything.
Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:44 pm
by MrChef
BarrelEnvy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:44 am
Mucho dampness?
Now if it's just the haze like the last pic you posted of the fender. I've had luck masking off the section, wiping down with alcohol, letting it dry then spraying Tamiya TS-13. Then letting that dry fully and again spraying the matte clear coat. Sounds weird but it worked for me when I had a similar hazy issue with Testors Dullcote that I sprayed when it was a bit too humid out.
The side of my turret went completely hazy to the point that it also ate and curled up the original numbered 213 decal. This pic is after I did the mad method I tried above. This is the second decal set the first ones looked like this-

Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:03 pm
by Herr Dr. Professor
I cannot see why anyone would be upset with you for your attempt. Frankly, I am surprised that an Army Painter product caused such trouble, for the brand is specifically for miniatures. However, I have not experience with the particular "varnish."
I do have some experience with paint removal from plastic. The first is Super Clean. I have even soaked plastic in this stuff full strength. Obviously, one needs to remove all the electronics, etc., first, which you clearly know to do.

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The second is Easy Lift Off. I am a tad more wary of this stuff, so I have never used it on anything but a decal on an isolated surface, followed by super-fine sanding. It is, however, a Testor's product specifically designed for modelers.

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I would read all the instructions and proceed with caution, even testing each on a nearly invisible surface before working more generally.
Above all, I wish you success, as I liked your assemblage of modern MBTs.
Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 6:15 am
by BarrelEnvy
Firstly, thanks for the advice/suggestions for cause and rectification.
I'm inclined to fix it with a hammer, and look into replacement, fresh canvas... in petulant disgust
I am, in a strange way, enjoying the learning curve.
Being a former mechanic I felt, if you learn the difficult scenario for a particular task... any other way is easier in future. If that makes sense.
Took ages to rebuild engines using just a garden fork though.

Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:12 am
by HERMAN BIX
My assumption looking at the pics is that it reacted with the pigment fixer.
Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:55 am
by BarrelEnvy
HERMAN BIX wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:12 am
My assumption looking at the pics is that it reacted with the pigment fixer.
Due to the fixer not being fully dry?
Re: Slippery slope wips.
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2024 7:59 am
by BarrelEnvy
Herr Dr. Professor wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 11:03 pm
Above all, I wish you success, as I liked your assemblage of modern MBTs.
Were you not the one who mentioned getting pulled in to buying more and more tanks? Lol
In my introducion post, or someone elses at roughly the same time.

Aaaaaanywhoo... ty.