Product piracy warning

[jarndice]

Alpha I absolutely agree with you, I happily include Heng long in the list of undesirables but as I said where would our hobby be without Pirated Tanks and up-grade parts, remember Tamiya have been selling 1/16 Tiger Tanks for years but until Heng Long arrived our HOBBY hardly existed. The more we buy, the more encouragement there is for more people to get involved in Piracy. I know Painless lives in the shadow of the mountains I wonder are you basking in Floridian sunshine or slopping around up to your shoulders in the non-stop rainfall of Oregon/Washington, for an Englishman it is almost unimaginable for any country to be so wet, dry, hot, cold and still be the same country, whatever take care. shaun

[ALPHA]

Alpha I absolutely agree with you, I happily include Heng long in the list of undesirables but as I said where would our hobby be without Pirated Tanks and up-grade parts, remember Tamiya have been selling 1/16 Tiger Tanks for years but until Heng Long arrived our HOBBY hardly existed. The more we buy, the more encouragement there is for more people to get involved in Piracy. I know Painless lives in the shadow of the mountains I wonder are you basking in Floridian sunshine or slopping around up to your shoulders in the non-stop rainfall of Oregon/Washington, for an Englishman it is almost unimaginable for any country to be so wet, dry, hot, cold and still be the same country, whatever take care. shaun

Hello again shaun

I'm basking... maybe basket casing ... in the extra cost for everything land of somewhat paradise that is HAWAII...I used to have it on my introduction...but removed it later because it sounded lame

Anyway... about the copies ... yup unfortunately it happens... and yes there are ups and downs to encouraging the practices ...but all in all ... at least there is some benefits as some companies grow from it...and creates a more competitive marketplace...take automobiles... somebody had to copy somebody...LAMBORGINI is a product of influence from FERRARI ...SUBARU's MOTORS...are a copy of VOLKSWAGEN AND PORSCHE copying is a fact of life.... otherwise there wouldn't be need for the word people copy tests or reports at school...people here on the boards copy ideas others leave ..it's all relatively relative

Boycott... Nah... I copy stuff all the time... even my ERWIN... not my idea ...but I copied her image .... and even though the character is covered by copywrite... I could still sell her ... because she is an original build ... and not produced by a company...and with that said... someone could copy mine... and call it an original.. because basically they probably didn't do the same things I did

so for me it's an ALRED E NEWMAN kind of stance I take... as I'm not going to worry about it...mostly because it happens almost every second of every day

Isn't it wet dry cold hot there where you are ? here it's just HOT! and if winter is like last year... it'll be COLD!

Have a good one shaun... whatever the weather might be

ALPHA

[PainlessWolf]

Good Morning,
I too am of an age to remember when Japan was the one with the bad reputation and was accused of copying American ideas and innovations. (and many other countries I am sure) Some years after that, there was the short period when there was the media fueled scare that they were going to buy up America because they had opened some car manufacturing plants in the States. Now a days, it is the Chinese but pretty much the same thing except that China's growing military might enables corporations to ramp up defense spending and contracts. No one worried much about Japan like that. Japan's revenge for losing WWII was their economic success, supposedly. I'm a live and let live sort who back in the day enjoyed Japan's technological savvy in the world of model tanks even tho' they were way out of my price range for large scale and I made do with the occassional 1/35 motorized model tank from Tamiya or Monogram. The only Tamiya 1/16 scale armor I've owned was gifted to me as an unfinished kit from a friend who owned Boulder Hobbies back in the 80's. It was the remote control Gepard and turned out all right enough that a cousin of mine in N.C. saw it and went on and on until I in turn, gifted it to him. I've never had another Tamiya until they went into 1/35 scale RC with their Tiger 1 in the early 2000's. After that came Doyusha's little 1/48 scale Tiger and other assorted small pieces. I've rambled on enough to make my point, I think. It's all corporate culture and as was said above, they all have their hand in the till. Folk like me benefited from companies like Heng Long's early copies of Tamiya models and now, Heng Long has the same issue with their original ideas but at least, there are enough companies interested in doing these sorts of models to where our Hobby has selection enough to interest old and new members and keep it going and growing.
regards,
Painless Wolf

[Edwin]

An interesting Talkshow here.

I have no problems with it when a company is a product of another company copied in some sense, as long as they work it out themselves. In this form the copy, there are always the best inovations.
What I have a problem is if someone know about this product that is not developed itself but steals.
I myself have a shop and a lot of ideas. I even repeatedly to front on me to do and to see how it goes, but the subtleties necessary to draw up must at some point even each. This is my method to make the effort and the resulting price of course. In addition, you will develop more and more new motivated.

Cheers Edwin

[jarndice]

Edwin HI, You are so right, it is called stealing intellectual property ie your ideas, and that is no different from stealing your piano, it is a crime and is very different from seeing something and producing a similar but not the same product, such as BIRO---PARKER BALL POINT. good luck my friend. shaun

[ALPHA]

Good Morning,
I too am of an age to remember when Japan was the one with the bad reputation and was accused of copying American ideas and innovations. (and many other countries I am sure) Some years after that, there was the short period when there was the media fueled scare that they were going to buy up America because they had opened some car manufacturing plants in the States. Now a days, it is the Chinese but pretty much the same thing except that China's growing military might enables corporations to ramp up defense spending and contracts. No one worried much about Japan like that. Japan's revenge for losing WWII was their economic success, supposedly. I'm a live and let live sort who back in the day enjoyed Japan's technological savvy in the world of model tanks even tho' they were way out of my price range for large scale and I made do with the occassional 1/35 motorized model tank from Tamiya or Monogram. The only Tamiya 1/16 scale armor I've owned was gifted to me as an unfinished kit from a friend who owned Boulder Hobbies back in the 80's. It was the remote control Gepard and turned out all right enough that a cousin of mine in N.C. saw it and went on and on until I in turn, gifted it to him. I've never had another Tamiya until they went into 1/35 scale RC with their Tiger 1 in the early 2000's. After that came Doyusha's little 1/48 scale Tiger and other assorted small pieces. I've rambled on enough to make my point, I think. It's all corporate culture and as was said above, they all have their hand in the till. Folk like me benefited from companies like Heng Long's early copies of Tamiya models and now, Heng Long has the same issue with their original ideas but at least, there are enough companies interested in doing these sorts of models to where our Hobby has selection enough to interest old and new members and keep it going and growing.
regards,
Painless Wolf

I would agree... though Japan still has things to work out with the US... they don't pose a threat... CHINA does... in so many ways beyond militarily ...economically they are so viable.. they could become the next world power... hardly anyone really watches the US stock market anymore... the smart ones look at the ASIAN markets... and yes CHINA is the center of it...it's part of the reason many countries put pressure on CHINA...who really doesn't care...because they aren't dependent on anyone
They're pretty smart... they know where they stand in the world economy... and they don't allow anyone to control them except themselves...they didn't sign any treaties or post war accords like JAPAN did...so basically there are no written rules they have to abide by

bottom line for me is... there isn't anything a peon like me can do about it...so the most I can do is talk about it... then just go with the flow

Have a good one Painless

ALPHA

[Dietrich]

Quote ''bottom line for me is... there isn't anything a peon like me can do about it...so the most I can do is talk about it... then just go with the flow ''

Yes We can do something about it.........IF...we are prepared to pay the extra money.... Stop buying goods 'Made in China' and only buy from the West or Japan.......Then China's economy collapses....
But unfortunately, we won't and the US is apparently virtually owned by China because its debts are so high.......
(Which is why I guess that they prosecute 'Internet Hackers' who cut through the ( Totalitarian) Chinese Firewall and let the Chinese population at least catch a glimpse of the 'Truth' that we accept as the 'Norm')

I will now get off my soap-box ........and go back and stand in the corner....

[Dietrich]

Hi ALPHA,
I am not sure what the 'Things' you are referring to are ??..." Japan still has things to work out with the US"............Please can you clarify for me ...??
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(I have heard historians argue that the US effectively started the War with the Japanese Empire by only giving them 2 choices with its trade embargoes that were applied Pre WW2...Either fade away and die due to lack of Oil and Rubber or go to War... The result of which cannot really have been that much of a surprise with '20/20' Hind-Sight, bearing in mind that their Emperor Was DIRECTLY related to their God and of course their Samurai style military..........)
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Japan now has a Totally different world view....no God emperor and no Samurai style military....
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Germany on the other hand, has a list of 'Things to work out' including the loss of territory.....
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.............and of course STILL having to accept responsibility for starting WW1!...AND to pay all the Financial reparations that were imposed on it by the victors (which Directly lead to WW2)
About 269bn gold marks, - the equivalent of around 100,000 tonnes of gold.
......Which it only finally paid off in October 2010 !!

[ALPHA]

Hi ALPHA,
I am not sure what the 'Things' you are referring to are ??..." Japan still has things to work out with the US"............Please can you clarify for me ...??
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Hi Dietrich.... I thought everyone knew... it's kind of old news.... but it has to do with fair trade.... JAPAN ... being who they are... and very protective of their natural home grown industry...restricts what can be imported into their country...and also how and what outside corporations can be run and established there... outside companies can buy into JAPANESE companies .... but they make it difficult for them to operate independently
Suffice to say... the situation upsets AMERICAN big wigs ...who in turn have political "friends" impose additional tariffs ... and the extreme side embargoes JAPAN made products going abroad...quite frankly...when I looked into it further (this was some time ago...but it still goes on) I don't blame JAPAN for doing what they do... as they are trying to preserve their Heritage... Standard of quality ...and National pride...

Rice is a good example ... for decades JAPAN did not allow any foreign product into their country... as they feel they have the best in the world (to which I agree)...but because of embargoes ... they have recently allowed California produced rice into their country...at highly regulated volumes .... but they aren't stupid... since they are being forced to comply... their solution is to retail it for higher prices

It's sad but true... but that's politics... something I don't really take a liking too

ALPHA

[Dietrich]

Hi ALPHA,
......Ahhh...Those 'Things' to work out....now I see what you mean. , I thought that you meant 'Things' from the WW2.......
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I seem to remember that the Japanese also imposed a 'Restriction' on imported luxury cars....Jaguar had to sand off and then polish out the E Regulation letters and numbers on the outside of the rear plastic light covers on their cars because some 'Regulation' was conveniently found that could be used to claim that the Jaguars did not comply with their road use regulations.... ...so Jaguar cars in Japan employed a 'local' man to sand and polish the light covers so that they did comply.......Childish really...but politicians can behave like little children..
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I am surprised at Californian Rice being exported to Japan...but hey Californian wine is imported to France..... .....It does make you wonder what it costs to transport the rice and wine half way around the world...and then STILL be able to sell it for a profit !!