Heng Long Sherman M4A1 (75)

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Postby Estnische » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:26 am

Well, I hadn't expected to be back here for a while due to work commitments. My unfinished projects need some thinking through. But I had an itch I needed to scratch and figured a new Heng Long Sherman project could be done in small increments.

I’m not a fan of Fireflys – I prefer the aesthetics of the cast hull M4A1 combined with the round turret of the 75mm. So M4A1(75) it is. It's not a common project but a few have been made, like Frankie's example. The cast upper hull can be had in resin from Nick Aguilar, or I could modify a Mato version. A third option could be to find an old stock Mato M4A1(76) and change out the turret, however I preferred getting hold of the newer Heng Long 6.0 MFU.

My local hobby store are RC specialists and have started selling Heng Long tanks, and when I say local, they are 20 min walk from home. I decided to purchase from them despite the extra cost compared to an online seller. I was a little wary as to whether they knew exactly what the distributor was giving them. The picture they use on their website is of a Promotion version, but there was every chance the distributor was giving them old stock with an old MFU system. After a phone call to enquire, they indicated the running gear would be plastic, and it is modified so as not to fire BBs, but it is 6.0.

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It arrived in quick fashion, and as you can see the box packaging adds to the confusion. Despite the label that says it fires BBs, there is a tiny sticker down the bottom that says its ‘not available’. Under the commander’s hatch is a blanking plate so there is no tube to load the BBs. Taking off the upper hull I see zinc gearboxes. Now, I’m happy with my purchase, but I can see that some people might insist that the naïve store supply the pictured goods at the advertised price.

To make the conversion, I purchase bits from Forgebear and Ozarmour – the main piece was the Mato upper hull. The Heng Long turret, turret ring and motor case slipped straight in. The Mato hull wiring was very messy compared to the latest iteration of the Heng Long Sherman, which shows how much they have progress since the days when people complained about the Glue Monkey.

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Although the Mato upper hull will take some tidying up to get it to fit, its not going to be a big job. The hull sides line up and the length looks about right. Importantly, once I had plugged everything back in, it all works as before.

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If anyone has any advice about Shermans, I’ll gladly take it.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:52 am

Glad youre back mate, what is the name of this Aladdin's cave you speak of !?
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Postby Estnische » Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:41 am

While I get things underway, I've been looking about for ideas to form the finish of the Sherman. Here are a few ideas - let me know what you think.

I like the dusty look of this Italy campaign version. Its the right timeframe for a early-mid model M4A1. I'd certainly do it if I could find an Italian wine basket!

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This would also be different - what appears to be a trio British M4A1s? belonging to the 3rd County of London Yeomanry.

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Then there is this from left-field...

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And finally something more orthodox, that I'd like if I could do the Boomerang for a touch of Australiana.

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Postby PershingLover » Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:35 pm

I agree with you, I love the look of the M4A1. I prefer it with T23 turret and the 76mm though, and definitely no DV ports. You make me want to start a Sherman! I'm excited to see how this turns out!
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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:21 pm

Rather interestingly I am awaiting a low bustle turret to make the El Alamein version of this very tank

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:45 pm

Glad to see you back, Brett. :thumbup: I'm just wondering whether the current, dreadful, global pestilence might allow you more time on the Sherman project than you'd anticipated? :problem: Something's definitely needed to handle the 'lockdown blues', I guess. :problem:
The pic of the line of Shermans (below the Italy campaign photo) really demonstrates the need for smokers in model tanks. Well, in the Sherman, at the very least. Or, perhaps, that the regiment in the pic had got hold of a goodly supply of relaxing 'loco weed'. Given that the Germans fought many of their campaigns under the influence of 'Pervitin' (Crystal meth, no less :O ), that's perhaps not quite as absurd as it sounds. :lolno: :wave:
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Postby c.rainford73 » Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:48 pm

The boomerang is a very nice one following along
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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:54 pm

So as a question from an individual doing the same build. Which mantle you going for as you will have noticed from your photos there are 2 that could be used

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Postby Estnische » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:07 am

Thanks for the encouragement guys.

Yes Roy, it will one way or another.

I'm planning to go with the M34A1 mantlet, mostly because it is readily available. I got mine from Forgebear.

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Exhibited Brute - have you seen this thread? Lee's desert Sherman has a build thread for it somewhere on t'internet.

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Where are you getting your low bustle turret? I'm planning on doing something like this (not sure where I got the pics).

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Postby Xiaoshan_Sailor » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:56 am

I'll be following since I'm itching to get back onto finishing mine which is a Mato metal M4A3(75) with Nick Aquilar upper hull.

Rich Johnson's work on RC Universe always makes for a great reference. He's, by far, the best I've come across for Sherman research & variants that he's built. I've lost count of the number he owns.
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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:54 am

Estnische wrote:Thanks for the encouragement guys.

Yes Roy, it will one way or another.

I'm planning to go with the M34A1 mantlet, mostly because it is readily available. I got mine from Forgebear.

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Exhibited Brute - have you seen this thread? Lee's desert Sherman has a build thread for it somewhere on t'internet.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=27089

Where are you getting your low bustle turret? I'm planning on doing something like this (not sure where I got the pics).

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I haven’t looked at any build threads for them. Just looked at my book of Sherman’s. I did that with the turret for my a2 and firefly. Or more to the point got my dad to before I started to build myself.

As for the mantle I have one of those somewhere and the turret forgebear says he can get me one from Canada so he’s ordering me on in.

With the turret one from the firefly kit would do but the loaders hatch would need removing and filling as they only had the commanders split hatch on. You can also get mato metal turrets now that include the ir barrel and recoil and so on but again the loaders hatch would need to be filled. Easy to do. Glue plasticard on the inside and stick some filler on the outside till level

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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:11 am

This is where I’m at with mine

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Postby Tiger6 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 am

Low bustle 75mm turrets with a choice ofM34 or M34A1 mantlets are also available from Nick Aguilar in Texas, tho at the moment nothing seems to be crossing the Atlantic due to the travel ban.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:40 am

Tiger6 wrote:Low bustle 75mm turrets with a choice ofM34 or M34A1 mantlets are also available from Nick Aguilar in Texas, tho at the moment nothing seems to be crossing the Atlantic due to the travel ban.

What about the Pacific?
Nick also provides a 75 barrel. But all his hulls and turrets are for Tamiya turret rotation.
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Postby Tiger6 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:06 pm

I have no specific information regarding the Pacific - I can only go on what I've read regarding shipping to and from Europe...

As for mounting to a HL hull, its pretty simple to take a scrap HL turret base and cut it down - there is a convenient lip on the HL base that is the same diameter as the opening in the turret on a Tamiya, that provides a feature to cut up against. Cut the lip and locking tabs off of the bottom of the Tamiya turret and insert your donor HL base. Add glue of your choice, or just press fit, and you are done.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm

I only asked about the Pacific because Mr Estnische is in Australia :thumbup:

I purchased some Taigen Tiger 1 turret bottoms off of forgebear for that actual purpose of making them fit Nicks turrets :thumbup:
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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:39 pm

There is also a chap in Russia that does a resin kit of the low bustle 75mm turret with the early mantle and a single hatch how ever at 75 pounds I would rather pay less money for a metal turret and fill the hatch in myself

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Postby Tiger6 » Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:59 pm

I'm familiar with that chap in Russia, he has a lot of stuff that looks awfully familiar...

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Postby Exhibitedbrute » Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 pm

Tiger6 wrote:I'm familiar with that chap in Russia, he has a lot of stuff that looks awfully familiar...

Does a large amount of figures and a few turret conversions from what I gather

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