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Postby General Jumbo01 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:32 pm

I apologise up front, so please forgive me, but ....... Brexit!

Should any of us, UK based or otherwise, be doing anything before it happens? I'm thinking how it may impact purchasing from outside the UK. I understand that purchases from outside the remaining EU could change since existing arrangements with, say, China are governed by the EU. I hasten to add that I've little understanding of the whole Brexit thing but that didn't stop us all voting in the referendum did it!

Any constructive thoughts? Please, no opinions or politics. I get that 24x7 off TV :'(
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:15 pm

Sorry folks.
Due to Brexit being such a divisive subject, and it has been agreed many times in the past that politics is not a subject we want on this forum.

People come here for an escape from the real world.
Therefore I'm going to lock this topic for now.

And if anyone has a problem with me doing so, feel free to send a PM about it to any moderator or admin of your preferred choice to complain about this decision.

Mick, on behalf of the moderation team.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:35 pm

We have now decided to move this topic to the off topic section.

Please be mindful of what the original poster questioned and had concerns about. It was not meant for a discussion about the politics of Brexit. Or those in charge of any country. It is purely about prices and the impact on our hobby.

Thank you.

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:21 pm

My word, l couldn't have made it any clearer! It appears however that someone actually read what l said and thought twice. What's more, this topic certainly isn't off topic, it's very relevant to our hobby but if the small minded here feel otherwise.... I'll be posting porn next :D :D :D

Will l pay more after end October if l purchase a model from a German hobby shop. Likewise a Chinese one, or even our mates at Forgebear who will still have to purchase from outside UK. You see, it's all very much core to how we pursue our hobby, especially if you are working to s tight budget!

Edit

I've just suggested to Mick that he delete any posts in this thread that go off topic and get political or unpleasant.

Do l plan ahead and purchase now or wait? Any words of wisdom please.
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Postby Tiger6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:28 pm

Currently your German purchase would get the German VAT rate of 19% applied to the cost of your goods.
If we where to assume a no deal brexit, you could have your goods dispatched VAT free and enjoy having UK VAT of 20% applied at the border with the post offices £8 handling fee tacked on. If your purchase was more than £130, then customs duty at 4.75 % would also apply.

Personally I had my eye on something over there I would be tempted to buy before the end of october...

I don't expect that purchases from China or anywhere else would see any change for toys and hobby items (see above for rates).

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:48 pm

At the moment, VAT is chargeable on items worth over £15, and gifts over £39.
Customs duty/excise duty is at 2.5% on items over £135.
But, there is a clause that they won't bother with the customs duty if it's under a few quid. I've had the customs duty wavered three times recently with a total of around £200.
But it doesn't say if the customs duty takes the postage into account. I think it is just on the item value.
Where as, when they calculate the VAT, they take into account the postage and the insurance costs too, therefore you pay VAT on the whole service as well as the item/s..
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Postby Tiger6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:00 pm

Interesting Mick, looks like my info is a little out of date in that case.
Edit - VAT is calculated on cost of goods + duty + shipping + insurance :O
Definetly going to stock up on goodies from Asiatam etc before the end of October 8O


I found this on the HMRC site, I'm sure the answer is in there somewhere :crazy:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... er-eu-exit
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:02 pm

Tiger6 wrote:Interesting Mick, looks like my info is a little out of date in that case.
I found this on the HMRC site, I'm sure the answer is in there somewhere :crazy:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... er-eu-exit

Best to look on the direct page.

Tax and customs for goods sent from abroad: Tax and duty - GOV.UK
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty

Like I said, I've been hit three times lately, and I checked it was correct each time.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:12 pm

Oh, and the worse thing, two packages were by the normal postal services, therefore they came to England into the post offices hands, with the £8 handling charge. But one of them was via a courier, and therefore ended up in the hands of their English courier counterpart. And they charged double for their handling fee, yes, a whole £16 on top of my over 40 quid VAT charge :'(
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Postby dgsselkirk » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:13 pm

Many times with major changes like this some suppliers will take the opportunity to "pad" a little and blame it on the event. Also watch for major currency fluctuations to occur around said event. That will be more of a concern in the long run. Take it from a canuck whose dollar was at par with the U.S. dollar as recently as 2013 only to see it running at .76 today so a 25% shift...
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Postby Tiger6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:15 pm

Must admit its been a while since I worried about it - I just assume that I will have to cough up, and if the number on the customs invoice looks about right I don't bother to get the calculator out ;)

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Postby RobW » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:17 pm

I suspect the bigger problem will be the value of the £ over the next few years. Personal imports (ie we buy things directly) may be a bit more complicated but equally the limits may move to account for the increased traffic & same number of staff. Buying from Forgebear will only be effected by currency as most of it already comes from outside the EU.
Short term I'd buy now, and after (if) it happens once things calm down.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:18 pm

Tiger6 wrote:Must admit its been a while since I worried about it - I just assume that I will have to cough up, and if the number on the customs invoice looks about right I don't bother to get the calculator out ;)

I did the same, don't need a calculator for those numbers, but always handy to know what the right figures are, especially as they can and have made mistakes.
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Postby jarndice » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:20 pm

Coming back to the UK after my last overseas tour,(Germany)
The car was full of the latest Grundig Television, Phillips Stack Stereo and electric steam iron, Hair dryer and lots more, Everything brand new,
Off the ferry and up to the nice man in the black uniform with the obligatory clipboard,
"Good Evening Sir" "Do you have anything to declare"?
As I started listing everything he noted the "BFG" (British Forces Germany) Number plates on the left hand drive Opel Caravan (Station Wagon) He stopped me and said "Are you moving back to the UK sir?
"Actually I am leaving HM Forces in two months" I said. Ahh he said so this is all over six months old then?
NO Its brand New I said,
It looks over six months old to me he smiled, Finally I caught on,
This lovely man was trying to save a Serviceman from paying duty on his personal effects,
"Ohh yes at least six months I agreed".
He ticked me off on his clip board and waved us on, We headed for the A2,
My Lady looked at me and said I never took you for STUPID Before. :lolno:

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Postby Tiger6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:20 pm

dgsselkirk wrote:Many times with major changes like this some suppliers will take the opportunity to "pad" a little and blame it on the event.


Oh God don't remind me - I used to enjoy buisness trips to our head office in Austria in the days before the Euro, the food and beer was so increadibly cheap back then. Now our 'evening visits to local buisneses' are about as expensive as over here :lolno:

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:34 pm

China, USA. Outside the EU but my understanding is that the trading terms are all part of a current EU deal, so UK trading terms are the same as any other EU country. When we leave the EU the deal we are bound by will no longer be valid so will have to negotiate new deals for the UK. What is applied on 1 Nov I've no idea. Any knowledge on this point?
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Postby Tiger6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:36 pm

OK I tried to go thru all of the links on the "what happens in the event of a no deal brexit" link I posted up at the top, and I'm none the wiser other than I now know the classification code for our toys is '9503 00 30' - not sure that was worth the headache I am now getting from scrolling thru all of those documents :crazy:

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Postby 971wright » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:36 pm

I wouldnt worry about it there are two things in life you cant dodge death and taxes,just pay up and thank God your alive.

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Postby General Jumbo01 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:42 pm

True, but with a little knowledge you can maybe play things smart, live a little longer and save a few bucks on route. Its worth the challenge isn't it?
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Postby Tiger6 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:43 pm

General Jumbo01 wrote: What is applied on 1 Nov I've no idea. Any knowledge on this point?

That was the link I had posted "Temporary rates of customs duty (tariffs) on imports after no-deal Brexit" - doesn't appear that models are affected by tarrifs as best as I can tell?

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