Designing a tank as a pet project.
Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
Let me clear this up for you guys. Whether or not it's a tank depends on how it's intended to be used. A tank is used in support of Infantry. A Hellcat (for example) does not support infantry, it hunts tanks, and therefore it is not a tank, but a tank destroyer.
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
This is all part of the traditional 'cut 'n' thrust' our worthy Forum engenders, Gary.Max-U52 wrote:Let me clear this up for you guys. Whether or not it's a tank depends on how it's intended to be used. A tank is used in support of Infantry. A Hellcat (for example) does not support infantry, it hunts tanks, and therefore it is not a tank, but a tank destroyer.
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Yes, I agree that form, function, and role have evolved over the years so that specialised AFVs have emerged to keep pace with modern combat requirements. Ironically, the Germans based their armoured 'blitz' tactics on principles formulated by the Brits (Col. John Fuller especially); principles sadly ignored by the British General staff. This is where the initial 'Infantry support' role switched to the role of Infantry supporting an armoured thrust, mainly in the German army. The Germans also took the initiative in equipping for Tank on Tank encounters (Pz 111), as well as Infantry support (Pz IV...odd though that now seems with hindsight ).
Some modern, tracked, troop carrying AFVs have turrets, but are not deemed to be tanks. That's how far warfare has evolved. Tank or not, the threat is from the Air these days, as well as from the handheld descendants of the Panzerfaust..whether wire-guided, or not.
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
What depicts a tank
Well, NASA sent a spaceship to Saturn called Juno. NASA refers to it as an armoured tank.
Just saying. . . . .
Well, NASA sent a spaceship to Saturn called Juno. NASA refers to it as an armoured tank.
Just saying. . . . .
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
My water tank doesn't have tracks or wheels, just sits in the loft.
During WW2 a tank destroyer didn't have a turret - it was a term used for tracked vehicles with a hull mounted cannon, such as a SU85 or Jagdpanther. Maybe things have changed??
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During WW2 a tank destroyer didn't have a turret - it was a term used for tracked vehicles with a hull mounted cannon, such as a SU85 or Jagdpanther. Maybe things have changed??
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
No tracks on a fish tank either.
Now come on, I KNOW y'all know where the name "tank" comes from. Especially our UK friends.
Now come on, I KNOW y'all know where the name "tank" comes from. Especially our UK friends.
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
Began work on a turret instead of suspension, didn't feel like making all those road wheels and tracks links yet.
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
Good choice, after all, one has to know the total mass that the running gear is supportingPlagerreap wrote:Began work on a turret instead of suspension, didn't feel like making all those road wheels and tracks links yet.
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I’ll be using exerts from my Journal today because I am feeling exceedingly lazy.
Designed the Mk 1 of the remote turret. The turret was supposed to be more heavily armed for anti-infantry purposes than most any remote turrets used on modern MBT’s. It features a 20mm autocannon that uses high explosive shells, duals as an anti infantry device as well as short range anti aircraft. Attached to the side of this is a grenade launcher modified to be remotely used. Sits on a separate rotation scheme than the turret, so that it can move semi-freely and independent of the gun turret. The grenade munition box was initially put at the base of the turret to prevent the autocannon from being knocked out should it be struck and cause the grenades to detonate. Issues arose from this. Will explain later. Grenade turret Mk2. The placement of the grenade box in the mark one created many issues. 1; limited traverse, the turret could not freely rotate 360 degrees without wrapping and tangling the feed of grenades. 2; should be box be hit multiple things could go wrong.
A; the turret could still be knocked out. B; the engine could be knocked out if the turret faced forward.
So I relocated the grenade box to the back of the remote turret. The box will feature as many countermeasures as possible to prevent detonation prematurely.
Thinking about cutting it out entirely due to the chance of a detonation severely injuring countermeasure systems and other parts. Then the lovely addition of the “Silent Hunter” system. Looking for more fun toys
Designed the Mk 1 of the remote turret. The turret was supposed to be more heavily armed for anti-infantry purposes than most any remote turrets used on modern MBT’s. It features a 20mm autocannon that uses high explosive shells, duals as an anti infantry device as well as short range anti aircraft. Attached to the side of this is a grenade launcher modified to be remotely used. Sits on a separate rotation scheme than the turret, so that it can move semi-freely and independent of the gun turret. The grenade munition box was initially put at the base of the turret to prevent the autocannon from being knocked out should it be struck and cause the grenades to detonate. Issues arose from this. Will explain later. Grenade turret Mk2. The placement of the grenade box in the mark one created many issues. 1; limited traverse, the turret could not freely rotate 360 degrees without wrapping and tangling the feed of grenades. 2; should be box be hit multiple things could go wrong.
A; the turret could still be knocked out. B; the engine could be knocked out if the turret faced forward.
So I relocated the grenade box to the back of the remote turret. The box will feature as many countermeasures as possible to prevent detonation prematurely.
Thinking about cutting it out entirely due to the chance of a detonation severely injuring countermeasure systems and other parts. Then the lovely addition of the “Silent Hunter” system. Looking for more fun toys
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-NO SIR I WILL NOT ABANDON MY TANK MY GUN IS STILL WORKING AND I WILL GET THESE BASTARDS
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-NO SIR I WILL NOT ABANDON MY TANK MY GUN IS STILL WORKING AND I WILL GET THESE BASTARDS
Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
The term Tank Destroyer was applied to a vehicle that was designed (and main function was) to combat enemy tanks.General Jumbo01 wrote:My water tank doesn't have tracks or wheels, just sits in the loft.
During WW2 a tank destroyer didn't have a turret - it was a term used for tracked vehicles with a hull mounted cannon, such as a SU85 or Jagdpanther. Maybe things have changed??
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The M10 and M36 were both WWII Tank Destroyers that had turrets.
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Re: Designing a tank as a pet project.
As “Final edit” as it’s likely to get.
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-NO SIR I WILL NOT ABANDON MY TANK MY GUN IS STILL WORKING AND I WILL GET THESE BASTARDS