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Personally, I love David's bad news. I just prefer it before I do something. :haha:
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hotte8487 wrote:Next step also again at the rear wall. Both mufflers got in the visible range significantly used look in the direction of rust and soot.

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A late version Tiger has at the rear wall of yet another striking cover under the left exhaust muffler. The lid I've also ordered from aftermarket. This photo from the internet shows the attachment of this part very good.

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I removed the Zimmerit at this place again, the cover was glued on and the Zimmerit then again repaired.

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Furthermore are the heat covers for the exhaust mufflers not mounted directly to the rear wall, but are screwed into small, welded metal plates. I've made these plates again from a polystyrene plate.

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Each part was shortly post-processed, drilled and then glued to the corresponding locations.

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In the original were the metal plates welded, so I've my also equipped with a small weld line.

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Then were the heat covers again mounted to the rear wall.

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So much for today, further next time.
Fantastic weathering Hotte :D

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DavidByrden wrote:I have some bad news for you.... if you want it. :/
Which bad news? Let me hear David...
If you mean the rear fenders with their frames and their attachment; this will come later...
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hotte8487 wrote:
DavidByrden wrote:I have some bad news for you.... if you want it. :/
Which bad news? Let me hear David...
If you mean the rear fenders with their frames and their attachment; this will come later...
This I always wondered about....why is the convoy light mounted under the fender mount? 8O I mean even the stock molds have them there...though they are minute in size so the fenders can go over them....were the fenders taken off during transport...how did they fit the fenders over the light once in the field 8O

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ALPHA wrote:were the fenders taken off during transport...how did they fit the fenders over the light once in the field 8O
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Late Tigers didn't have those rectangular "box" raised frames on the rear wall. The fender hinges were simply welded to the bare armour plate.

The fenders fit over the light thanks to holes in them.

During transport, these rear fenders were propped up almost horizontally by a little arm at the corner of the armour plate. The outer portion was folded up and locked.

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Mr Hotte is all over it like a Biafra'n with a Mc Donalds voucher. :thumbup: :thumbup:
Anyone keen enough to re-do a Tiger that looks this good must have the reasons and info to hand :clap:

Im keen to see how the final paint will be done to blend in all the work thats gone in :crazy:
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Hi Alpha,
It is a good question - it would of course be easier to attach the convoy light over the rear fender.
I'm not sure about the real reason, but I think the tail light had to be mounted on all vehicles at the left side in a certain height above the ground. In this way was the result the position under the fender of the tiger. Furthermore were at early Tigers also no place on the left side; above the fenders were mounted the tool box and Feifel filters. Okay, the tool box could receive another place and also on a late Tiger was there enough space.

Initially were the fenders still used without hinges, these were directly screwed onto the frame.

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Then followed the generally known early fenders with hinges and strange cutouts.

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As of May 1943, the frames have been omitted under the rear fenders, fenders were changed slightly and the attachment points were welded directly at the rear wall.

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And as David wrote, during transport were only the outer parts of the fenders flipped up, also at the front side. Only the side fenders have to be dismantled completely...
...and of course the tracks had to be changed.

Maybe David has also the one or other date or additional information's to these changes.
Greeting Hotte

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HERMAN BIX wrote:Mr Hotte is all over it like a Biafra'n with a Mc Donalds voucher. :thumbup: :thumbup:
Anyone keen enough to re-do a Tiger that looks this good must have the reasons and info to hand :clap:

Im keen to see how the final paint will be done to blend in all the work thats gone in :crazy:
I'm sorry Mr. Bix, the final paint and camouflage scheme is already on my Tiger. He will receive only little cosmetics.
Take your time and wait for the final report. :angel:

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Greeting Hotte

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DavidByrden wrote:
ALPHA wrote:were the fenders taken off during transport...how did they fit the fenders over the light once in the field 8O
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Late Tigers didn't have those rectangular "box" raised frames on the rear wall. The fender hinges were simply welded to the bare armour plate.

The fenders fit over the light thanks to holes in them.

During transport, these rear fenders were propped up almost horizontally by a little arm at the corner of the armour plate. The outer portion was folded up and locked.

David
hotte8487 wrote:Hi Alpha,
It is a good question - it would of course be easier to attach the convoy light over the rear fender.
I'm not sure about the real reason, but I think the tail light had to be mounted on all vehicles at the left side in a certain height above the ground. In this way was the result the position under the fender of the tiger. Furthermore were at early Tigers also no place on the left side; above the fenders were mounted the tool box and Feifel filters. Okay, the tool box could receive another place and also on a late Tiger was there enough space.

Initially were the fenders still used without hinges, these were directly screwed onto the frame.

Image

Then followed the generally known early fenders with hinges and strange cutouts.

Image

As of May 1943, the frames have been omitted under the rear fenders, fenders were changed slightly and the attachment points were welded directly at the rear wall.

Image

And as David wrote, during transport were only the outer parts of the fenders flipped up, also at the front side. Only the side fenders have to be dismantled completely...
...and of course the tracks had to be changed.

Maybe David has also the one or other date or additional information's to these changes.
Thanks Gents..think I get the idea...something that might need looking into when I redo my Tiger :D

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hotte8487 wrote: Maybe David has also the one or other date or additional information's to these changes.
As first designed, the Tiger had frames welded to the rear wall in order to hold the rear mudguards. It was standard practice to weld things onto the armour, rather than drilling bolt holes in it, which would weaken it.

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This is the first production Tiger. As you can see, they hadn't even begun to think about tools yet.

This frame was the easiest place to attach a tail light. It was therefore made with attachment points for the base plate of a tail light. They were provided on both frames, but only the left frame was ever used.

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The tail light was the rectangular type at first, but very soon the cylindrical type was substituted.

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A small hole was drilled through the armour for the electricity supply.

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