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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:05 pm

OK, that's great info, but could I use a pot instead of a three position switch? Or would it work like this - push the three position switch forward and volume gets louder until you move the switch back to center, it gets lower when you move the switch down and keeps getting lower until you move the switch back to center, or would it just be three different volume levels, like low/medium/high? The Mercedes will probably end up on the i10 so I'll have plenty of channels and switches to chose from.
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:09 pm

And forgive me for getting a bit off topic for a second, but I stumbled across this when I was uploading video and thought you guys might get a laugh out of it. What do you do with a 1:1 scale RC car? Crash it, of course. @) @) @)

The good stuff starts at about 1:30 into the video. I don't recognize the TX he's using.

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And to think those guys got paid to do that. What a life, eh?
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:39 pm

Max-U52 wrote:OK, that's great info, but could I use a pot instead of a three position switch? Or would it work like this - push the three position switch forward and volume gets louder until you move the switch back to center, it gets lower when you move the switch down and keeps getting lower until you move the switch back to center, or would it just be three different volume levels, like low/medium/high? The Mercedes will probably end up on the i10 so I'll have plenty of channels and switches to chose from.



Well, honestly I did not test it and everything was theory... Until now. I took my board and I configured and tested it just for you, my love, lol.

With prop 2 I used a 3 position switch. With the switch downwards the volume is reduced slowly to zero until you return it to his neutral position and with the switch upwards the volume rises until the top.

So yeah, I tested and it works. And very good.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:55 pm

I did a very quick video.

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This is the sound set I did for my P-40 with a couple of documentaries from youtube.

Also it has two more extra sounds, a pilot that says in the radio "Im in trouble, mayday mayday mayday!!!" And the sound of dropping a bomb (falling and explosion)
And that is all what I can put in the small board.

The machine gun and the sound of the plane coming and flying away are in the prop 2. I set the machine guns sound to be able to sound with the motor noises, and the other sound sets off the motor noises.
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:14 pm

That's great news about the volume. Adjust-ability is very cool. 8)

The P-40 sounds great. I've been building static models for a very long time and I always preferred WWII fighter aircraft in the larger scales, like 1/32nd and 24th. I even have a couple P-40 kits on the shelf waiting to be built, and I've collected up some cool aftermarket goodies for them, like PE instrument panels and what-not. I've also researched them a bit so I know things like, the P-40B was what the tigers flew and had .50s in the nose and .30s in the wings, and the later models got different configurations. I think it was 100 P40Bs that Chenault (sp?) managed to finagle for the Tigers, but maybe only 90 some got delivered? Anyway, the point is that you have a fascinating plane there. Are there posts of it anywhere? Got a link?

Have you made any mods to that 9XR for the mikro? I should be able to get good results with any of my radios but I've found that when you're copying someone else's work (something I do flagrantly and regularly) it helps to use the same equipment. At least that makes it easier for me. Anyway, when the time comes I have the 9X, 9XR and the i6 and i10 to choose from so I'm sure it will work out fine. I might start the 540K at the same time as the 1/6 scale Sd.Kfz.250, both of which are after the Hetzer. And then there's the 1/6 Kubelwagens that are also waiting patiently. So many projects, so little time.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:56 pm

Hi,

My P-40 is 1:16 scale, but even when is going to be RC I dont want it to be able to fly. Im too scared of crashing after such ammount of job.... And I have seen to many videos of rc warbirds crashing to know that my bird will have same sad destiny.

Mi P-40 will have 6 cal .50 (just a little correction, the earlies P40 had 2 cal .30 in the nose, and 2 cal .50 on each wing) will be green and will have a shark mouth :) There are no build logs so far... And it t will take a lot of time more, minimum half a year more, but id say like a year.

Mods to my 9xr pro?
Latest software version.
Four 2pos switches replaced with 3 pos ones.
One potentiometer replaced with a 6 pos switch.
A multiprotocol module instaled inside.

But a plain 9x (with er9x flashed) will work. For sure your i10 will work flawlessly too.
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Postby Max-U52 » Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:12 am

The P40 sounds very cool, and I'd like to see photos sometime. Can you get a sound track for six .50s firing at once? Do you remember the M41 I put the quad .50s on? That has a clark TK22 and it has a great sound track for the single .50 but now I have four .50s mounted up there and you know that sounds very different. I've always wondered if I could use one of these mikros for just the MG sound and keep the rest of the clark sounds. The sounds for start up and engine on the TK22 for the M41 are really quite good, as are the rotation and elevation sounds.

Anyway, when I get to the Mercedes I'll solder the programming connector to the mikro and maybe pins for the lights. I have to order some of those pins you linked. I'm still a little leery about soldering something that tiny, but I watched a couple good videos so I'll give it a crack. For now, in the mainly stock truck, I'm just going to run with the tail lights and headlights on an on/off under the frame, and the big honkin' lights on the lightbar on the switch on the TX. There's still a ton of work to do to that truck, so fancy lights can wait for the sports car. I still have to figure out the lightbar, the canvas top, and the FPV system from the right front seat. For that I might have to use a crate in the back to hide a 12v battery for the FPV TX, but I can draw 5V camera voltage from the RX. And with a crate I can also have a separate power supply for the lightbar, which will greatly extend drive time. If only the damned esc would get here so I can get rollin'.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:51 am

Hi Max, I got the .50 sounds from here.

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"Only" three .50 at the same time, but I think it sounds cool.

Also if you really want four, or if you dont like the sound I choosed, you can look for the .50 you like most, and with the free software Audacity, multiply one .50 four times (But not synchronized, of course!) so you can have the 4 machine guns you need.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Mon Nov 27, 2017 8:53 pm

Well, some news here, Gary. I managed to trigger all the sounds and adjust the volume from the transmitter and I did a video showing it.

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I am using only 4 custom sounds, because the memory was full. I would like to have more... But I guess I have to wait until the chinesse guys do a knockout of the Benedini Mini, lol.

Im also using a quite strange mix, with a 6 position switch I select a position and then I trigger the sound. Mixing with the radio I managed to virtually have a 12 position switch from a 6 position one. I am sure it also could be done just with the switches, but it will take a some programming, and I just dont wanna burn my brain doing it, lol

Also, for the open panzer guys, it is possible to have turret rotation and barrel elevation sounds too, it is just a matter of programming.

This radio software I am using is a piece of art. No matter the screen looks like a casio watch from the late eigthies, it is so powerfull that you can do a lot of things that a radio with 10 times the price wont do.

I cant thank enought the guys from http://www.openrcforums.com for programming it, and for the support.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:39 pm

Uops, I just noticed I forgot the mix.

Is this one:

CH05: +42% 6POS Offset(-54%)
+108% HALF Switch(THR)
R -100% !TRN

Thanks to MikeB for his help.
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Postby LukeZ » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:20 pm

Rad I've watched your videos and I see what you're doing on the radio side. It's true you're able to trigger all the sounds from your radio, but when combined with the Open Panzer TCB I'm not sure all of it will work very well, the reason being, the channel you use to trigger the sounds on the Micro is not going to be the same channel you use to trigger that function on the TCB (there is no 12-position input on the TCB). But I suppose with some additional mixing on the radio you could theoretically mix those 12 positions from the single channel also to 12 other channels which feed into the TCB... In reality something far less than 12 would be better since there aren't even that many switches on most radios, nor that much memory on the Micro.

I do think for most mere mortals (and those without fancy radios) the most we are likely to get is Prop 1 for throttle and Prop 2 for MG/cannon, and set the Micro to Engine Auto Start so that takes care of itself. When I have some time I will try to do a write-up in the Wiki on this...
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:44 pm

LukeZ wrote:Rad I've watched your videos and I see what you're doing on the radio side. It's true you're able to trigger all the sounds from your radio, but when combined with the Open Panzer TCB I'm not sure all of it will work very well, the reason being, the channel you use to trigger the sounds on the Micro is not going to be the same channel you use to trigger that function on the TCB (there is no 12-position input on the TCB). But I suppose with some additional mixing on the radio you could theoretically mix those 12 positions from the single channel also to 12 other channels which feed into the TCB... In reality something far less than 12 would be better since there aren't even that many switches on most radios, nor that much memory on the Micro.

I do think for most mere mortals (and those without fancy radios) the most we are likely to get is Prop 1 for throttle and Prop 2 for MG/cannon, and set the Micro to Engine Auto Start so that takes care of itself. When I have some time I will try to do a write-up in the Wiki on this...


Hi Luke, like you said, everything is a matter of programming and mixing. If I move the turret stick (lets say for example channel 3), I can trigger any sound at the Benedini at the same time with the stick. It is just a matter of sending signal for the turret function and for the sound unit as well. Even it is possible to have track noises when driving and activating those sounds just with the drive stick.

Also there is no need of having a 12 position switch or a lot of switches, everything can be done with the radio stock switches, but it is just a matter of deep programming the radio. For example I am using a 6 position switch, but with some easy programming it looks like it has 12... So Is a matter of combining switches, and anyway you dont need to configure all of them, with a couple of sounds would be ok.

But of course a fully programable radio with a screen is a must. Today the radio I was using was for sale at Hobbyking for 25 euros free shipping...

And yes, for the rookie and average users, this is way too complicated and truly a headache... But the posibilities are there... ;)
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Postby wibblywobbly » Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:40 am

A few questions, if anyone knows the answers?

1. On the parameters page, what does 'speed max' do?

2. If I wanted an air brake sound, do I add this as a separate sound, or add it to the 'deceleration' clip? Mine are set up on Autostart, so if it was set up as a separate sound, how would it be activated?

3. What would make life easier is being able to set the idle, off idle and full throttle positions from the software. Is this possible rather than short the contacts on the board and use the beeps?

4. Tech question - not expecting good news. I have one old board with destroyed pin holes. Is there anywhere else on the board that a programmer can be hooked up to, eg bypassing the three normal ones.

Hoping someone can help.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:45 am

wibblywobbly wrote:A few questions, if anyone knows the answers?

1. On the parameters page, what does 'speed max' do?

2. If I wanted an air brake sound, do I add this as a separate sound, or add it to the 'deceleration' clip? Mine are set up on Autostart, so if it was set up as a separate sound, how would it be activated?

3. What would make life easier is being able to set the idle, off idle and full throttle positions from the software. Is this possible rather than short the contacts on the board and use the beeps?

4. Tech question - not expecting good news. I have one old board with destroyed pin holes. Is there anywhere else on the board that a programmer can be hooked up to, eg bypassing the three normal ones.

Hoping someone can help.



Long time I dont use the board because Im lacking time, so I forgot quite a lof ot things in an already very complex board.

1) I dont even remember where that "Speed max" is. Can you take a screenshot? If not, I can take a look to it tonight when I grab a computer at home.

2) I would add it at the end of the deceleration clip. Anyway as far as I remember, using autostart is limiting the board to an extreme. It wont let you switch motors on and off at your will, or triggering the extra sounds (it has like 14 extra sounds!) And of course no lights use.

Triggering the sounds at your will is doable, but it will take some effort. In my case I replaced a potentiometer in the radio, with a 6 position switch, and modified it programming the radio to look like a 12 pos switch. So I select a position with that switch, lets say position 2, and with another switch I trigger the sound. It is a really advanced board, but with a big learning curve... After a while and with some patience you will be surprised of what this does... But first step is not to use the autostart mode anymore.

3) As far as I know, nope. You have to teach the board, but the good thing is you have to do it only once.

4) Dont think so... But I guess you could solder some connectors or wires at some point around the connectors area... But for preventing this, thats why I installed pins in the board as shown in my pictures.
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Postby maxmekker » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:05 am

the answer to question 1 can be seen/heard and explained here from 5 min :thumbup:

basicly it tells the card to how much to 'pitch' the sound at full stick

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Postby wibblywobbly » Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:32 am

That makes perfect sense, many thanks! :thumbup:
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Postby Will01Capri » Thu Sep 13, 2018 1:13 pm

Wow, what a thread. I think i will have to try some of this as the trucks are a bit boring without sound.
GREAT work, WOW
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Postby Yellowshaker » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 pm

This is a great thread. A lot of valuable knowledge here. I am just wondering about the smke unit. No one has showed how to control one through the board.
I am also a bit confused on something. The boards shown on banggood are dasmicro for trucks and other vehicles. Then there is a mini. Can you guys tell me the difference as there is little in the way o information. Thank you.

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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:33 pm

Yellowshaker wrote:This is a great thread. A lot of valuable knowledge here. I am just wondering about the smke unit. No one has showed how to control one through the board.
I am also a bit confused on something. The boards shown on banggood are dasmicro for trucks and other vehicles. Then there is a mini. Can you guys tell me the difference as there is little in the way o information. Thank you.


Hi. The units at banggood are called "Dasmikro" but are for whatever you want, not only trucks. For example I am using one in the P40 warbird I mentioned in this thread.
This "Dasmikro" sound a pirate clone of the "Benedini micro"

The Mini, nowadays is still with no ilegal copys. It Is 98% the same as the micro, but bigger (easier to work with) a couple of options more, and has more sound memory, I think something that lets you play around 93 seconds or so.
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Postby LukeZ » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:56 pm

All the information about the Mini and Micro can be found on Benedini's website
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