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Postby FredtheFrench » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:15 am

If you are an unconditional fan then you have to go at least once.
you will not be disoriented, there are nearly 60,000 Englishmen every year who come for this race. :thumbup: :clap:
So see you next year on the circuit? :D
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Postby Estnische » Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:54 am

Hmmm - not next year, perhaps in a few years when I have retired. I'm planning an Edelweiss motorbike tour in two years and it's a big commitment to come from Australia!
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Postby FredtheFrench » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:18 pm

I haven't see you was from Australia... :D

If one day you comme to Le Mans, tell me. :thumbup:
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Postby square4 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:37 pm

First went in 1988, Group C days when Jaguar won it once more, great days. If a person does one motor race it should be Le Man 24hr. there is nothing like it, just done my 'tour of duty' start to finish, with good results for me. Toyota LMP 1 winners, United Autosport LMP 2 winners, and Aston Martin GTE pro and GTE am winners.
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Postby Estnische » Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:16 pm

FredtheFrench wrote:I haven't see you was from Australia... :D

If one day you comme to Le Mans, tell me. :thumbup:


:thumbup: Oui!
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:32 pm

Nice picture of the RS2600.... The best looking gp2 Capri in my opinion. The UK 3100 variants with their flat top arches just didn't quite match up.

Now, was the Ford GT40 the last US winning entry? Wasn't the Ford MK4 that replaced it and took a 1,2,3 finish a US built car?

I thought the Aston Martin class wins were superb this year.
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:50 pm

The Ford GT40 mk2 took the top 3 places in 1966, but was designed and built in the UK. The mk4 won in 1967, with Ferraris second and third. The mk4 was designed and built in the US. It was the first car, team and drivers from the US to win at Le Mans
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:11 pm

Thanks for that clarification. It was Sebring where the mk4 did its thing. Despite so many big names it will always be the Chaparral 2F and Ford's P68 that lll remember most fondly. My Cox 1/24 2E slot racer was beautiful but hopelessly light and top heavy on the track. Became a shelf queen before it got damaged leaving a brass rod sledge 2F blob to wear out the local raceway. Ohh, the sixties.... :crazy:
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Postby jarndice » Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:30 pm

silversurfer1947 wrote:The mk2 took the top 3 places in 1966, but was designed and built in the UK. The mk4 won in 1967, with Ferraris second and third. The mk4 was designed and built in the US. It was the first car, team and drivers from the US to win at Le Mans


Ordinarily I would have let this pass but as the three Astons won in their particular classes and not of course the overall race I think I should be allowed to offer at least one American car and a pair of American Drivers winning in class at Le Mans.
Briggs Cunningham entered four cars in the 1960 24 hours they were an "E" Type Jaguar and 3 Chevrolet Corvettes,
The Jaguar and numbers 1 and 2 of the Corvettes failed to finish But Corvette 3 driven by John Fitch and Bob Grossman came in 8th overall and gained a 5th in the GT class AND a FIRST in the upto 5 litre class.
So as long as we are counting class wins as you are with the 3 Aston Martins then a privateer American Car and American Drivers preceded the full blown money no object Ford Team with its class WIN by seven years :thumbup: .
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Postby Will01Capri » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:17 pm

Ad Lav wrote:Funnily enough I watched Le Mans 66 with Matt Damon and Christian Bale the other night, cracking film, well worth a watch!

I do like the new Astons.

Don’t think an American car has won since the GT40 in the sixties...

You and me both, great film

As for running races without spectators well its really sad. The best races have always been the ones i have been to as you get to sense and feel them for real.
Hope this covid crap hurry's up and buggers off, we all need a sense or normality to return so we can enjoy life luxuries like going out
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Postby FredtheFrench » Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:22 pm

Will01Capri wrote:
Ad Lav wrote:Funnily enough I watched Le Mans 66 with Matt Damon and Christian Bale the other night, cracking film, well worth a watch!

I do like the new Astons.

Don’t think an American car has won since the GT40 in the sixties...

You and me both, great film

As for running races without spectators well its really sad. The best races have always been the ones i have been to as you get to sense and feel them for real.
Hope this covid crap hurry's up and buggers off, we all need a sense or normality to return so we can enjoy life luxuries like going out



I am completely agree with you.
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:46 pm

Shaun, it wasn't me that mentioned the Aston Martin class wins. I was talking overall wins and all Ford, be they Lolas or American.
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Postby jarndice » Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:12 pm

Richard Sorry, I really wanted to settle a long mistaken belief that the Ford GT40/MK4 was the first American car to win at Le Man and when I read your piece it twigged a long dormant memory of Briggs Cunningham who in the day this true American Patriot caused some consternation within the conservative circles of European racing by having the audacity to field cars in overall white with a twin dark blue paint stripe down the centre of his cars,
The Lister Jaguars with their yellow nose was bad enough but the Cunningham cars were thought of as a jolly bad show at the time.
Whatever would those old fogies think today :lolno:
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Postby Estnische » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:44 am

Sorry lads - I reeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaally wanted to like Go Like Hell, but it was Hollywood dross. Christian Bale as a hammy pom they tell me sounded nothing like Ken Miles. Should have sounded more like Nigel Mansell apparently. When he went for a job interview with Shelby, there was a buck in the workshop of the Cobra Daytona, which in reality he helped make. The Ferrari factory scene set in about 1965, showed P4 Ferraris which didn't come out until after Miles was dead.

I can forgive all of that. But:

- taking Henry Ford II for a 'hot ride' never happened, and have him squeal blubbering like a baby doesn't seem like someone who served in the Navy in WWII.
- driving along struggling to pass someone, and then magically plucking another gear, look sternly at the other guy and press harder on the accelerator is not how racing works.
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Postby Will01Capri » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:57 am

Estnische wrote:Sorry lads - I reeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaally wanted to like Go Like Hell, but it was Hollywood dross. Christian Bale as a hammy pom they tell me sounded nothing like Ken Miles. Should have sounded more like Nigel Mansell apparently. When he went for a job interview with Shelby, there was a buck in the workshop of the Cobra Daytona, which in reality he helped make. The Ferrari factory scene set in about 1965, showed P4 Ferraris which didn't come out until after Miles was dead.

I can forgive all of that. But:

- taking Henry Ford II for a 'hot ride' never happened, and have him squeal blubbering like a baby doesn't seem like someone who served in the Navy in WWII.
- driving along struggling to pass someone, and then magically plucking another gear, look sternly at the other guy and press harder on the accelerator is not how racing works.


You make good points, but unfortunately most racing or car style movies are full of flaws. But we need these hollywood things to make sure they can target the masses to like the film. if it was more real then the films would maybe become more boring for the masses and worse still never be made. We just have to live with it

The new Top Gun to be released is full of 'not real' 'that would never happen', but it does make for good viewing.

I remember speaking to some old Le Mans racers when i was like 11 or 12 at a Jaguar day with my father. They used to regard the Mulsanne straight as there rest nap as it was more like plant your right foot and relax ready for the next corners and helped them tackle the long endurance runs that was asked of them.
The Cobra Daytona is my favourite US car of all time. If i had spare time and some cash i would love to build a Factory Five Daytona and make it look as original and classic as possible. Its a sexy car and a monster at the same time
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:08 pm

But l thought that's how cars suddenly accelerated, by changing gear. In Bullit, the Mustang had no less than 24 forward gears. Ask any Hollywood American!!

I thought the discussion above was focusing on the last US car winning LeMans, not the first. The mk4 was never referred to as a GT40, just a MK4. The most successful 'GT40' was of course the John Wyer entered Gulf Mirage. There, just wanting to add confusion ;)

Wonder bwhat the new Hyper cars will look like. Will they look different from each other? It would be nice if cars looked more individual again but optimisation of design within the regulations will probably mean that the liveries will be the only way you can tell them apart. At least the GT classes retain their differences.
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Postby FredtheFrench » Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:06 pm

For new hypercars, it will stay a dream, but the Aston Martin Vulcan would have been fantastic... :clap: :clap: :clap:


I hope a lot of car manufacturers will come back with the new regulations, like the end of nineties... :thumbup:
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Postby wibblywobbly » Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:14 pm

My other hobby is RC Rock Crawlers. One of the guys that I go out with every weekend is a senior tech at an Aston Martin dealership. The tales he tells me about how much money their customers spend...they don't even look at a car, just buy it on a whim over the phone, some rare versions aren't far off £1m??
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Postby Estnische » Fri Sep 25, 2020 5:07 am

FredtheFrench wrote:I hope a lot of car manufacturers will come back with the new regulations, like the end of nineties... :thumbup:


We can only hope. Of course, we can thank Bernie Ecclestone for killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Group C was awesome, but too much of a threat to F1 in those days.
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