The real reason Germany lost the war, the succinct version.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:16 pm

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Postby BarryC » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:56 pm

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Postby jackalope » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:13 pm

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Postby X82d Pathfinder » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:43 pm

Ba dump dump.. Why is Britain not speaking German.... You're welcome! lol
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:47 pm

Wartime footage finally released about the top secret operation that aided the allied war effort.

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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:25 pm

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the main reason that you Brits are not speaking German right now can be summed up in just 1 Word - Detroit! The arsenal of democracy. You're welcome. @)
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:31 pm

Gary, you already partly speak German lol, by speaking our English, which has a large proportion made up from German, you're welcome. . . .
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:17 pm

Mick, I happen to be 100% German. First generation german-american. Even though my last name is English, I don't have a single drop of English blood in me. That's a long story all by itself.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 6:37 pm

Funny, l didn't think Detroit was in Russia??
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:24 pm

Really? If Hitler hadn't had 55000 Sherman tanks to deal with on the Western Front, things would have gone much differently in Russia. Any expert historian will tell you that the main cause of victory for the Allies in World War II was the Industrial might of the United States. Even the Russians were taking equipment from the U.S. on the Lend-Lease. Now, I freely admit that British tenacity was a big factor, but without the tools you would not have been able to get the job done, and the tools mostly came from Detroit.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:43 pm

Oil.
Germany was critically short of all the raw materials (and especially fuel) needed to run a 20th Century war. By the same token, Japan was also naturally bereft of the raw materials needed to make weapons
and fuels.
Once the Germans lost access to the Romanian oilfields, their fate was sealed. At the same time, Hitler's absurd make or break vanity project- the siege of Stalingrad, broke the back of the Wehrmacht.
Also, by 1944, even Britain was out-manufacturing Germany... :|
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:55 pm

Eastern Front wrote:LOL, you guys all have your facts WRONG!

The reason Germany eventually lost the war is really centered around a single event.. The destruction of the only toilet paper factory! Geesh!

NOPE, even you have it wrong Mr Front. . . .

What helped the allied victory the most was one particular American moral boosting "weapon" that was brought to Europe and didn't end up on the British National Debt. . . .

Nylon stockings, need I say more.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:26 pm

I was told that the thousands of Shermans did help to win the war, but only because the Tigers ran out of shells before the allies ran out of Shermans. Maybe l heard wrong? :D
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Postby Max-U52 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:31 pm

I'm not sure about them running out of shells, but I know the Tigers were outnumbered by the Sherman's by about 25 to 1. It doesn't really matter how good your tank is, when the odds are 25 to 1, you've got a problem.
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Postby dgsselkirk » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:20 pm

Hmmm.... I think 40,000 T34's may have had something to do with it too.... :D

What lend lease did was allow Russian support units to have mobility for their support elements that the Germans could only dream of. It was the 427,284 trucks that allowed the Russian forces to move as they did from 43 onward. The land war was really decided at Kursk. From that point on it was just a matter of time.
Roughly 75% of all German armour, 60% of all German guns, and 208 German divisions were destroyed on the Eastern Front... Compared to this the west from 44 on and Italy were just about keeping German forces from being concentrated on the eastern front...

What American AND Canadian participation (yes, we punched well above our weight) did guarantee was that you didn't speak Russian a little later... :haha:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:29 pm

dgsselkirk wrote:Hmmm.... I think 40,000 T34's may have had something to do with it too.... :D



What American AND Canadian participation (yes, we punched well above our weight) did guarantee was that you didn't speak Russian a little later... :haha:


Give it time :lolno: :D
Another factor, people often forget, is that while the Allies were almost full mechanised, in transport terms, the Germans (- much to the astonishment of some observers) still depended heavily on horses.
All that methane must have been unpleasant (as well as dangerous, to smokers) in transport columns... :think: :D
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:13 pm

dgsselkirk wrote:Hmmm.... I think 40,000 T34's may have had something to do with it too.... :D

What lend lease did was allow Russian support units to have mobility for their support elements that the Germans could only dream of. It was the 427,284 trucks that allowed the Russian forces to move as they did from 43 onward. The land war was really decided at Kursk. From that point on it was just a matter of time.
Roughly 75% of all German armour, 60% of all German guns, and 208 German divisions were destroyed on the Eastern Front... Compared to this the west from 44 on and Italy were just about keeping German forces from being concentrated on the eastern front


Spot on.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:16 pm

So scissors really did beat paper !
Lucky it wasn’t decided by a game of Rugby :/
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:19 pm

Mr Bix, behave! Rugby is even more taboo than Brexit. :(
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:43 pm

Oh I know!!
I’m only just now starting to allow interaction with other humans after our loss
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