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Postby endure » Sun May 28, 2017 8:22 pm

Just joined for a look around. I'm interested in getting my first tank. Cheers

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Postby RobW » Sun May 28, 2017 8:25 pm

Hi, and it'll not stop at one..... Where are you?

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Postby endure » Sun May 28, 2017 8:37 pm

Just updated my profile. I'm in Derby. I've only just started looking at tanks but one thing strikes me. I can buy a Heng Long ready built with radio included far more cheaply than something like a Tamiya kit. Any reason why?

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Postby RobW » Sun May 28, 2017 8:49 pm

Tamiya - very detailed but you pay for the quality.
Heng Long - less detailed but you can add alot of bits!

There's a meet in Grantham next Sunday (I think), no doubt there will be a lot of different tanks there. If you're just wanting something to mess with & learn on then HL is excellent; Tamiya is probably worth the price but it's expensive.

Look for the recommended vendors; forgebear often comes to the Grantham meet, but don't think he is for June.

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Postby endure » Sun May 28, 2017 8:53 pm

Is there anywhere that has details of the meetings please?

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Postby RobW » Sun May 28, 2017 9:00 pm

viewtopic.php?f=10&t=22932&p=209477&hilit=grantham#p209477

Someone will be on in a day or so with the June confirmation.

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Postby endure » Sun May 28, 2017 9:07 pm

Thanks

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Postby jarndice » Sun May 28, 2017 10:13 pm

Hi and welcome to the FORUM :clap: :thumbup: :wave: ,
The Heng Long range has improved by leaps and bounds since my first Panzer 4 with its moulded on tools and plastic gears and now the Radio side is approaching the lower end of the aftermarket R/C control boards of just a few years ago and that is something I never thought I would say,
The overall build quality is very much higher than once it was.
The great thing about the Heng Long and the Taigen Tanks is there is a massive upgrade facility available from some very good dealers,
If you want a list of some of the dealers we all buy from, that is both complete Tanks and upgrade parts just ask.
Tamiya are rightly acknowledged as the Rolls/Mercedes of our hobby but as with any premium product they are more expensive and have to be built by you which to the hardened builders among us is one of the attractions of Tamiya,
But if you want RTR (Ready to Run) then the cheaper Heng Long and Taigen Tanks are for you,
Whatever you decide we will never tell you what to do with your Tank but we will offer all the help you need if you ask,
ASK QUESTIONS PLEASE,
And yes we have probably already heard them BUT they are new to you so go ahead and ask,
There are no stupid questions if you really don't know the answer.
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Postby endure » Sun May 28, 2017 10:22 pm

Thanks for the welcome. I was hoping to find a reasonably priced kit as I quite fancy building it myself but Tamiya (I've built some of their RC cars so I know what the quality is like) prices are a bit scary for a first attempt.

I shall continue my investigations into Heng Long and Taigen. Would you recommend any particular model for a newbie?

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Postby jarndice » Sun May 28, 2017 10:33 pm

I was afraid you were going to ask that question :haha: :haha:
There are quite literally thousands of members of this Forum from all round the World and just about everyone of them has a favourite,
I would suggest a TIGER 1 from either Taigen , Torro or Heng Long or if you are feeling a bit flush Tamiya,
E-BAY is a Good source of Tamiya Second hand Tanks but look out for shysters.
It is a big Tank with a massive array of upgrades available and it is big enough to allow a newcomer to get their apprentice hands on the Tank without breaking stuff by mistake BUT that's my choice I absolutely know others will have there own choice.
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Sun May 28, 2017 10:50 pm

I have Tamiya, Heng Long, Taigen and Torro tanks. When I started I knew nothing about RC tanks and in my ignorance chose a Tamiya Tiger 1. I got huge satisfaction from the building. That was lacking from the RTR alternatives. However there are members here who can take a relatively cheap RTR and turn it into a work of art. My skills are definitely not up to that

Ultimately, you pays you money and takes your choice. For me, I would not change what I've done.
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Postby endure » Mon May 29, 2017 12:01 am

Which would be less expensive - a Tamiya full option or a Heng Long with all the add-ons? Do I buy a cheapie now or save up for the full whack?

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Postby PainlessWolf » Mon May 29, 2017 12:07 am

Good afternoon and welcome to the Forum.
Enjoy a little something from both Worlds. Either buy an already built Tamiya tank and deconstruct it and build to your own specs or get a new 'Kit' Tiger tank that can be built into one of three types ( Static, Airsoft or IR ) from either Taigen or Torro.
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Postby silversurfer1947 » Mon May 29, 2017 12:10 am

The price of Tamiya full option tanks varies wildly depending on which tank you choose and where you buy it from. Germany seems to offer the best prices. I reckon if you add it all up, there is not much to choose, once you add on the cost of new electronics for Heng Long etc. As I said, I enjoyed the assembly of the Tamiya. I think they also produce more accurate models. However, please seek views of others. My views are biased towards what I have enjoyed doing.
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Postby jarndice » Mon May 29, 2017 9:04 am

The choice of Tank is related to what you like doing with it and your relationship with your Bank Manager,
If you can come up with the Money and you consider building the Tank as part of a greater experience than just running it around the Garden then the Tamiya is a no brainer,
If you want to build a Tank but you cannot run to the up front price of a Tamiya I would suggest you buy the cheapest Heng Long Tank and armed with a bottle of "Debonder" and basic craft tools you dis-assemble it (With patience it is very easy) and then rebuild it with a better pair of gearboxes and a new control board and an uprated "Smoker" Then you might want to fit Metal Wheels and Metal Tracks,
As you see the costs are rising but because you are buying items one at a time you can pace the financial outlay to suit your Pocket book, The end result is a Tank that YOU have built which is priceless to you and indeed has cost a fortune except it is only a HENG LONG Tank so it has little resale value,
I would never sell any of my Tanks so that to me is irrelevant,
Or finally if what you want is a TANK that at best you will only repaint but otherwise just run it from the box then get a TAIGEN or TORRO Tank, They are pricier than a HENG LONG but are allegedly better built.
Using reference sources you can build a specific Tank that is an historic copy of an original or a Tank specific to a particular Battalion or Regiment,
Some of what you need in a build, in particular the less common Tanks mean you have to scratch build them but in general a search of the Web and a few well directed questions here will point you to what you need from a dealer.
Remember the more modern Tanks that are available the Abrams and the Leopard or the Challenger2, all worth a look,
Check out the Modern Tank build Forum for more detail.
Read the many and different Forums and sites to be found here and you will find many of your questions will be answered.
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Postby RobW » Mon May 29, 2017 9:24 am

Another option is to pick up a cheap-ish HL and play with it whilst building something else, then upgrade it. Just be aware that there are 4 different types of radio gear in stock HL; 27MHz (crystals, old models) and 3 different sets of 2.4GHz.

Shaun missed the T90 out of the modern tanks, but they're still not widely available (despite 3 being bought last GLAD meet!).

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Postby endure » Mon May 29, 2017 2:18 pm

Anyone had any experience of Taigen self build like this?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Self-Assembly ... Sw3xJXnh3f

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Postby silversurfer1947 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:45 pm

Just to make sure you are aware that the kit does NOT include the necessary Taigen transmitter, receiver and electronics which is another £60.
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Postby endure » Mon May 29, 2017 2:49 pm

Is it necessary to use a Taigen transmitter or could I use another brand? I think I've got an old 7 channel Devention in the attic

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Postby silversurfer1947 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:55 pm

It is difficult to find exactly what is included in the kit, but from the photo of the transmitter, it looks as though the kit does not include the electronic module (RX18) that is the tank's brains. This appears to come with the transmitter. Consequently, if you don't use the whole Taigen package, you will need to purchase a control board from a third party, which put things into a different league, cost wise. If you are seriously interested in this, I would suggest you contact the seller with your questions.

Alternatively, you can get this RTR https://www.rctank.de/24-GHz-TIGER-I-LATE-METAL-LOWER-HULL-Metal-Gearboxes-metal-tracks-Gun-recoil-system-Smoke-and-sound-IR-system
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