Tortured Tamiya Tiger...

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:11 am

I picked this much abused Tamiya Tiger 1 up from Ebay, for a relatively modest sum. I cleaned it up, rearranged (with retaining clips) the internal wiring, and ditched the ancient Futuba crystal-based receiver it came with. Then,
I fitted the Carson 6-ch receiver, that came with the Carson reflex Stick 2, I'd just bought- and fired the tank up. Much to my surprise, everything works as it should. :)
More than that, I was quite pleased with the Carson unit, as no tweaks were needed to give it full control over the Tiger. The Carson also has three-position switches, and two extra channels. Better still, it's a lot cheaper than the usual Futuba 4 ch unit Tamiyas were once sold with ( In Japan, Anyway). Before Prof Rad Von Radio pipes up, with his usual admonishments,( :D ) I'll just say that I have a beautiful Taranis radio nearby, but simply wanted to try the Carson out, as it's now the default Tamiya radio for Full-Option tanks.
A wee bit of (ideally easily replaceable) battle damage is ok, especially if you want a Tiger 131 replica. Indeed, it's quite likely that the original owner had this aim in mind, before he got his soldering iron out (or was it a blowtorch?). However, I think he got a tad unrestrained with the rear quarter of the deck, and the hapless Feifel. Some of the rusty bits were quite subtle; but, given the legendary engineering perfectionism
often attributed to the Germans, I don't think a Tiger would have been allowed to remain in this state, unless it had been abandoned. :problem: Rust can look impressive, but inauthentic.
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Battle damage to engine deck

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Perforated Posterior-Tamiya Tiger 1

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Incidentally, a bag full of bits, including sprues and unattached parts (skirts, rear fenders, tools etc.) came with the tank.
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Tortured Tamiya Tiger 1 in profile

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Tortured Tamiya Tiger-D.jpeg
Tormented turret

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The problem for me is, knowing what should I do with it next?
I could remove the flash unit and DMD controllers and put them in my Tamiya Panzer IV. In part, that's why I bought the Tiger in the first place. Then I could offer up the rolling hull to interested folk.
I'd really like to see the Pz IV in action.
Then again, This could become a Leningard Tiger, like Jimster's admirable creation.
It could even be modified to mid-production specs, with mods to the turret.
What would you do?
Here's the Carson controller. It reminds me a little of Darth Vader's styling, somehow. In fact, it's quite ugly faux-gothic, I think.
I prefer simple clean lines on a radio; but I must say this one performs better than the Futuba 4YWD units I've used. :)

Edit:
I should point out that I have a New Tamiya Tiger 1 on the stocks, and so it's not vital to retain this one. Moreover, I also have two Taigen Tiger 1s- and thus I'm overflush with these big cats.
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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:23 am

That actually looks really good. I'd be tempted to keep it and convert to a super early tiger 1 with the side bins. Like Jimsters.

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Postby Jimster » Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:46 am

I believe every Tiger lover should have an initial production Tiger in their stable. The grandfather of the German cats. However it is a very deep rabbit hole and many subtle changes need to be made to produce a satisfying model. For every modification I made, jarndice pointed out two more that needed attention and kept me busy for a year including waiting for parts. I do admit that I’m proud of having a rarely modeled Tiger 1 and the help and advice from this forum made it possible. I say go for it.

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Postby c.rainford73 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:00 am

I'd keep it and source the electronics from another willing and less appealing donor.

Its actually a very good looking tank and has great potential IMHO

Just my opinion
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Postby modler » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:00 am

wow, you guys really like Tanks don't you? Well, that is why I am here. I use to play on real ones at Aberdeen Proving grounds Maryland as my Dad was in charge of the works there (1972-73). For every one they had on display, they had 2 more in the warehouse.

Very cool Tiger by the way. :)
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Postby jarndice » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:10 am

Of course Roy as you very well know the Tiger 1 depicted is not as early as the class of 131 which even after 77 years still has the twin pot feifal air cleaners it had when it was liberated and we all know that the early Tunisian Tigers exhaust pipes were uncapped :lolno:
Actually I have a thing about damaged Tanks :crazy:
I am sure that many of us remember a brilliant portfolio of photos showing a highly detailed depiction of wrecked Tanks,
It took a close inspection before it became apparent that these were models and not the real thing :thumbup:
I think it makes a refreshing change from shelf queens although I heartily agree with you about rust on any in service military vehicle,
There are noisy wild animals in the service whose sole purpose is to ensure that Privates/Troopers/Craftsmen/Sappers/Drivers keep things clean and painted,
These wild animals are called Corporals,
Ladies Keep them well away from your daughters :haha:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:13 am

Thanks for the observations, lads! The consensus would appear to be keeping the cat casualty as a runner. :D On that basis, Jimster's admirable 'Leningrad Chic' look might be the one for the 'catwalk'. :D
David Byrden, our semi-resident Tiger Boffin/Prof, estimates that the Tamiya full-option model, as packaged, represents a Tiger produced roughly between March and May, 1943 :)
http://tiger1.info/models/products-page/TAM35216
and, the main portal to David's site (do use it if you're a Tiger obsessive :lolno: ...the detail is astonishing. I doubt Porsche, himself, knew this much 8O )
http://tiger1.info
Thus, to get a Leningrad lookalike, several monthly modifications would have to be stripped away.
Just editied out some haste-induced grammatical howlers too. Sometimes, the interpretive text feature alters words in mid-flow. :D
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:24 am

jarndice wrote:Of course Roy as you very well know the Tiger 1 depicted is not as early as the class of 131 which even after 77 years still has the twin pot feifal air cleaners it had when it was liberated and we all know that the early Tunisian Tigers exhaust pipes were uncapped :lolno:
Actually I have a thing about damaged Tanks :crazy:
I am sure that many of us remember a brilliant portfolio of photos showing a highly detailed depiction of wrecked Tanks,
It took a close inspection before it became apparent that these were models and not the real thing :thumbup:
I think it makes a refreshing change from shelf queens although I heartily agree with you about rust on any in service military vehicle,
There are noisy wild animals in the service whose sole purpose is to ensure that Privates/Troopers/Craftsmen/Sappers/Drivers keep things clean and painted,
These wild animals are called Corporals,
Ladies Keep them well away from your daughters :haha:


I'm not keen on damaged tanks, Shaun, nor the rustbuckets created by our 'kings of corrosion'. I'd say that if you had a tankpark, like Painless or Jussek- and several other notables, having a tank hulk around would make sense. A mini-Kursk diorama would be littered with them. We know, however, that the Germans could scarcely replace battle-damaged tanks (unlike the Yanks, and the Russians, or even the Brits- as Brit tank production outstripped that of their German cousins). In reality, they did their utmost to retrieve and repair their wounded warriors. After their King Tigers petrol tanks ran dry at the Ardennes, though, retrieval became
practically impossible. :|
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Postby ronnie42 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:53 am

Roy Why not standardise and use the same board for all your tanks , clark ibu or elmod. Easier to fit as smaller than Tamiya and you can play for days getting the various settings spot on for each tank.

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Postby Jarlath » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:51 pm

It's still a great looking Tiger, despite the "rust". :)

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:04 pm

ronnie42 wrote:Roy Why not standardise and use the same board for all your tanks , clark ibu or elmod. Easier to fit as smaller than Tamiya and you can play for days getting the various settings spot on for each tank.

In principle, having a standard (and hopefully best) board for each tank would make sense, Ronnie. Just as having all the models on a single transmitter would save in batteries- and, more importantly: space.
However, after years of trying radios and control boards out, I've still to decide which have the most to offer me. :problem: :D
The more developed MFUs (TK 60, Elmod, IBU etc..) have their own special features, and their own fervent fans/supporters. I've tried the Clark tk22 and TK 60, as well as the IBU2 Pro, but many would maintain that the Elmod is the ultimate controller to aim for. Then there's the cost factor... :problem: Re-equipping my five Tamiyas (Three built, and two unbuilt), would drain both my Kist (coffer)..and the blood from my face :D
At the same time, if I need to reduce the collection in future, I think that- well, at least with the Tamiya tanks-they will have more value if they're kitted out with original equipment. After all, not everyone is a customiser. :D
At the same time, I'm nae a spring chicken anymore, ( :( ) and have begun to consider what my heirs will do with this peculiar assortment of Armour that's taken over my spare bedroom, and sundry other places. :problem:
I'm also wondering whether it's possible to control a 1/16 tank via an RC-equipped ouija board from the Afterlife :) Hmmm...I'll have to get Rad working on that project.
That way, I can ask my kids to keep hold of my favourites o- :D
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Postby PainlessWolf » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:17 pm

Good Morning, Roy!
Don't worry about what will happen afterwards. That's your Kin's responsibilities. Your only onus is to build and enjoy. ;0) ( I was worrying about this same subject and after much cogitation came to the aforementioned conclusion )
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Postby jarndice » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:21 pm

43rdRecceReg wrote:
ronnie42 wrote:Roy
I'm also wondering whether it's possible to control a 1/16 tank via an RC-equipped ouija board from the Afterlife :) Hmmm...I'll have to get Rad working on that project.
That way, I can ask my kids to keep hold of my favourites o- :D


I am only interested if that includes remote dusting because you can wager a large sum that ones heirs wont be doing it :lolno:
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:22 pm

Somebody summomed me?

Rad Von Radio, lol. I have read the entire thread. My opinions:

I really like the look of that Tiger quite a lot! But if you already have another three, yeah, it might be safe to sell it. Not sure what can you have without electronics though, but hey. Anyway a friend just sent me a Tiger with no electronics and my plan is to use it as a static piece in my battlefield.

Also as you point at the end of the thread, it seems Tamiya tanks with tamiya electronics have a better resale.

Regarding the Carson radio, yep, better than the Tamiya/Futaba radio, but still non programable, soo...

Re equipping your tanks might be cheaper than what you think. If you do like I did, selling the tamiya electronics, with the money you will be able to get plenty of aftermarket boards. I am not planning to sell my tanks in the future, and I cant be happier with the vast improvement. If money is a concert, you can also make your open panzer boards like wibbly did here in the forum. That is a vast improvement over the tamiya innards too... As soon as he publishes his step by step guide, I will try to do my own too.

And answering Ronnie here: Well, there is also another option. Instead of standarizing all the tanks with the same board, you also can do what I did, to program the radio so the same switches triggers the same functions in all the tanks. For example, it does not matter if it is a heng long, tamiya, ibu, clark, elmod, open panzer or others... If I trigger the momentary top right switch it always shoots the cannon. The same with the rest of the functions. Of course there will be switches and buttons unused in the oldest or more limited boards, but hey...
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Postby Ad Lav » Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:13 am

Keep it and make a late Tiger - don’t see many Tamiyas converted to late spec.
Or
Pinch the electronics boards and put them in the panzer iv. Sell the shell. Someone will put a Clark etc in it and have inexpensive fun.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:37 pm

Ad Lav wrote:Keep it and make a late Tiger - don’t see many Tamiyas converted to late spec.
Or
Pinch the electronics boards and put them in the panzer iv. Sell the shell. Someone will put a Clark etc in it and have inexpensive fun.


Making a late-version Tiger would mean fitting late-production running gear, Adam. I don't imagine it's easy to fit Taigen metal wheels to the existing Tamiya running gear. :problem: I'd need to research that one. :problem:
https://www.welshdragonmodels.co.uk/tai ... 1730-p.asp
Far simpler, would be to make a mid-production model- even if it wouldn't be so much of a rarity as the late version. :)
I forgot to mention, that this tiger has Schumo openable front hatches. This provides access to the main DMD power switch, when it's velcro-ed underneath the deck, adjacent to the hatch.
I find it better to have the main on/off switch positioned there, than in the Turret, under the Loader's Hatch.
Schumo movable metal hatch hinges- Tiger 1.jpg
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It also has the Taigen, of maybe Asiatam metal Loader's Hatch fitted. This offers more detail (including welds) than the Tamiya plastic original. The lights are also LED based metal ones. They're rigged up together to be operated by a battery, and switched on/off by a switch positioned under the MG gunner's front hatch.
In the meantime, my Panzer IV may well 'borrow' the DMD/MFU units, flash unit, and new Carson receiver just so I can see how well it runs :thumbup: It's gathering dust on a shelf currently, ans waiting for action, :D
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:07 pm

Making a late-version Tiger would mean fitting late-production running gear, Adam. I don't imagine it's easy to fit Taigen metal wheels to the existing Tamiya running gear. :problem: I'd need to research that one. :problem:

This from the joker thats scratch building a Cromwell/Comet :crazy:
Tamiya based 'lates' are a very rare thing, its almost unbelievable that Tamiya themselves have not made a conversion kit after all these years .
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Postby Ad Lav » Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:09 pm

Henntec steel wheels, armoured turret ring, few other bits and bobs. Not easy or cheap but a nice change.
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Postby Kaczor » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:30 pm

All looks great except "bullet holes" probably made by soldering iron. Please look at this tutorial :)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:55 am

Ad Lav wrote:Henntec steel wheels, armoured turret ring, few other bits and bobs. Not easy or cheap but a nice change.



The Alloy wheels are nearly 300 Euros, Adam. That's twice what I paid for the tank. :problem: They look like part of Blackbeard's Treasure to me, but i have to resist the temptation to go digging for them. :problem: :lolno:
https://www.henntec.de/produkte/laufwer ... nten-zubehör-material/laufwerkswerkskomponenten/
I'm sure you're aware that even one project on the go can be a bit of a drain on the cashflow, but four or five... :/ That's empty pocket blues. :D ...possibly bailliff blues :lolno:
The Tiger was meant to be a quick way of getting the Pz IV going, and I may try to keep to that aim.

Thanks to Modler, Carl, Herman, Jarlath and, of course, Kaczor et al for your observations.
Herman, as odd as it may seem, starting with a blank canvas for a build can be sometimes easier to negotiate that modifiying an RTR model. Somehow, it involves a different methodology.
More to the point, in order to finish the Cromwell and the Comet, I have to stop adding extra projects to the ever expanding 'to do' :lolno: list.
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