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Postby Maccrage » Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:25 am

I grew up playing Warhammer 40,000, starting with the original Rouge Trader up until fifth(?) Edition. Even though I no longer play, I still collect 40K items and read the books. Heck, my user name is just me misspelling the home world of the Ultramarines.

The thing that first drew me to it was seeing the boxed set of 30 plastic Space Marines at my local hobby shop. I bought them, and painted them tiger stripe camo, just using them as little bad ass looking action figures. A few months later, I discovered the rulebook. This was when the game was first released, and I think the store may have gotten the minis in before the rulebook. I learned about Space Marine Chapters, and realized mine were painted "wrong." Since the only "Chapter Approved " color I had in a rattle can, this being back before I even knew what an airbrush was, they were painted red, becoming Blood Angels.

I remember wishing that someone would make 40K action figures, but it never happened.

Then, completely randomly, I discovered that Mcfarlane made licensed 1/12 scale 40K figures. A few 6" action figures are available, but mostly superhero, wrestling, and movie figures, namely the Star Wars Black Series. I immediately bought both Blood Angels figures, as well as a Sister of Battle and a genestealer. They are impressive figures, but stiff, and difficult to pose, with the Sister and genestealer having to remain on their stands to keep from falling over. But most annoying, they followed the GW model, and all the figures are roughly the same height, when the Sister should be noticeably shorter then the Marine, being a normal unenhanced human.

And then, I discovered that Games Workshop had also given Joytoy a license to make 40K action figures. And not large, difficult to find compatible accessories and companions figures, but one of the most common scales for action figures, 1/18, 3.75" scale, also known as GI Joe scale. The same scale that many of us use for tank riders, crew, and infantry. And they are scaled properly, being bigger than normal human figures. They are also more accurate to the source artwork and miniatures, with much better articulation. I immediately bought a Marine.

Mcfarlane Marine and with the Joytoy Marine. Also included are a Star Wars 6" Black Series trooper figure, with an Imperial Guardsman conversion, and a regular 1/18 Black Series stormtrooper.

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The Mcfarlane figures together, with the 6" Guardsman. You can see how Mcfarlane doesn't scale properly.
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I chose to begin collecting the 1/18 figures. The Marine I bought is a member of the Blood Angels Death Company. I didn't buy him because he is a Blood Angel, but because it was the one that would arrive soonest, and I had already decided to repaint him to a different Chapter, the Crimson Fists, featured on the cover of the original First Edition rulebook. I eventually want to collect a 10 man Tactical squad of Crimson Fists. I don't care for the new Primaris Marine stuff, I was glad to find Mk7 armor components and the older style weapons available. The same vendor also happens to make 1/18 Imperial Guard small arms(he also made the Mcfarlane scale Guardsman kit on the stormtrooper).

So the search began. I ended up choosing the Acid Rain line of figures, choosing one that seemed the closest to Imperial Guard as is. The only difficulty has been helmets, but I think I finally found a good one. He will be getting a repaint, to an as yet to be determined camo, but all he really needs is the right weapons and head gear. And he has the weapons now.

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And then, seeing them on my desk next to a Sherman, I had an idea. And I ordered something to use as a guide. It arrived today.

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Marine and Guardsman next to a 1/16 Sherman Chassis.

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If I was going to keep the scale sizes the same as the GW minis, this would be about right. But it always bugged me that there was no way the Rhino would hold ten fully armed and armored Space Marines, plus the crew, also Space Marines, and since I'm going all out with scale humans, I want it to be true to scale, and with an interior capable of holding ten Astartes. I have to get it out of the shed, but I think my HL Abrams chassis could be about right.

After this I will do an Imperial Guard Chimera, also with interior able to hold ten Guardsmen.
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Postby Kaczor » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:11 am

A Warhammer tank is cool idea.
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Postby Rad_Schuhart » Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:46 am

I love Warhammer 40k. I used to paint which IMHO is one of the most forgotten chapters, Dark Angels.

Sadly I could never play with anybody so I left the hobby years ago, but man, I love the story and the art with passion.

I saw those Joytoy figures a couple of months ago, and are damn cool! (and also expensive!) So far I have seen blood angels, ultramarines and space wolves... If they release some Dark Angels I'd be getting one for sure.
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Postby Maccrage » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:08 am

Rad_Schuhart wrote:I love Warhammer 40k. I used to paint which IMHO is one of the most forgotten chapters, Dark Angels.

Sadly I could never play with anybody so I left the hobby years ago, but man, I love the story and the art with passion.

I saw those Joytoy figures a couple of months ago, and are damn cool! (and also expensive!) So far I have seen blood angels, ultramarines and space wolves... If they release some Dark Angels I'd be getting one for sure.

Next wave coming soon has more Ultramarines, and Chaos Space Marines from the Black Legion, including Terminators. Just watch, once I'm finished with my Guard squad, they'll release their own.
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Postby Maccrage » Tue Apr 19, 2022 8:43 am

Knocked out a quick scale layout of the Rhino.
Going by the official dimensions of the Rhino, this is the size it should be in 1/18 scale.

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The Rhino is supposed to be 6.6 meters long, 4.5 meters wide, and 3.6 meters tall.

The Games Workshop kit scales out length wise at 1/55 scale, but is too narrow by about 10mm. Height is way off as well, but I'm going to ignore the official height, as it's supposedly a meter less that the width, and there's no way I'm going to make a Rhino that's as tall as it is wide.

This plan is based off the official dimensions and the GW model. It is about the length of a 1/16 Sherman, and the width of a 1/16 Abrams. Next step is a cardboard mockup, but I'm already thinking it's going to need to be enlarged to fit 10 Marines inside.
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Postby Maccrage » Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:33 pm

Started knocking together the cardboard mockup using the canon dimensions. Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think they took the time to actually draw the thing to scale when they wrote them, or even look at the model. 

Length and width seem reasonable, but still a bit to small to me.
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I already knew it would be ridiculous, even before I drew out the first one. I'm still going to mock it up, just for giggles. And to figure out how much I need to modify it to get it looking like a Rhino and able to hold 10 Marines.

It's almost as if the person who wrote the official dimensions never actually saw what a Rhino looks like. Going by the official height, the side view looks like this. 
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Yeah, no way is the Rhino 6.6 meters long, 4.5 meters wide, and then 3.6 damn meters tall! Like a tracked and armored Kia Soul.
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Postby RobW » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:31 pm

Hmm, searching "Joytoy" on Ebay can't possibly go wrong..... Edit: not at the price they are at the moment! And not for the new marines, maybe the "old style" ones!

This popped up in my feed as I've been looking for a few figures to paint to get me doing stuff (no work space for over a year) and for Wrath & Glory the 40k RPG.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185344495277

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Postby Maccrage » Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:20 am

RobW wrote:Hmm, searching "Joytoy" on Ebay can't possibly go wrong..... Edit: not at the price they are at the moment! And not for the new marines, maybe the "old style" ones!

This popped up in my feed as I've been looking for a few figures to paint to get me doing stuff (no work space for over a year) and for Wrath & Glory the 40k RPG.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/185344495277

Yeah, I don't care for the new Marines either. Converting them to old style. Still in progress.
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Postby RobW » Thu Apr 21, 2022 12:51 pm

Still too modern! I was thinking of the "beaky" helmets from the 80s. Pretty sure I've got a set of metal figures of Mk1 to Mk 6/7 armour somewhere.

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Postby Maccrage » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:20 pm

RobW wrote:Still too modern! I was thinking of the "beaky" helmets from the 80s. Pretty sure I've got a set of metal figures of Mk1 to Mk 6/7 armour somewhere.

Ahh... Mk6. I want to do at least one Crimson Fist in Mk6 Beakie armor like on the Rogue Trader cover.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Apr 21, 2022 5:51 pm

Maccrage wrote:
RobW wrote:Still too modern! I was thinking of the "beaky" helmets from the 80s. Pretty sure I've got a set of metal figures of Mk1 to Mk 6/7 armour somewhere.

Ahh... Mk6. I want to do at least one Crimson Fist in Mk6 Beakie armor like on the Rogue Trader cover.

I really like the MK6 armour, bought some Skaven figures to remove the heads to swap with the helmet-less heads in MK6 armour for character figures in a squad of Space Rats I was working on :D
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Postby Maccrage » Thu Apr 21, 2022 7:55 pm

Son of a gun-ner wrote:
Maccrage wrote:
RobW wrote:Still too modern! I was thinking of the "beaky" helmets from the 80s. Pretty sure I've got a set of metal figures of Mk1 to Mk 6/7 armour somewhere.

Ahh... Mk6. I want to do at least one Crimson Fist in Mk6 Beakie armor like on the Rogue Trader cover.

I really like the MK6 armour, bought some Skaven figures to remove the heads to swap with the helmet-less heads in MK6 armour for character figures in a squad of Space Rats I was working on :D

GW has a new set of plastic Mk6 Marines coming out for their new Horus Heresy game. Only 10 though, not 30 like the original Rogue Trader boxed plastic beakies.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Thu Apr 21, 2022 8:25 pm

I have that original Rogue Trader boxed set, it's rather good :thumbup:
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Postby tankme » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:06 pm

The box set I sold were the beaky models. Funny that I got about the same amount for them as I paid for them in like 1987 even though I had assembled them.

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Postby Maccrage » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:33 pm

I just bought a copy of Rogue Trader a couple of weeks ago. Cost me probably 3-4x what I originally paid in 87/88.
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Postby Maccrage » Fri Apr 22, 2022 1:18 am

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I'd love to have the Baneblade, but if I had that kind of room, I'd be doing 1/6 scale tanks instead of 1/16 or 18 tanks.
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Postby Maccrage » Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:06 pm

Since the official dimensions are almost useless, the plan now is to simply scale up the GW model to 1/18 scale. Needing a starting scale, I chose to use the 4.5 meter width for the "real" Rhino since that seems a good starting point according to my first layout. This would make the GW Rhino scale out at 1/64. Scale that up to 1/18, and you get something like this.

Offical height and length in blue, scaled up 1/64 GW Rhino in orange. Still a bit too small, but a good starting point.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:16 pm

1/64th is 28mm high figures. Aren't GW figures nearer 30mm to 32mm? Although, their figures are quite chunky, and appear larger with all their armour. You will find they vary from set to set, and older figures to newer figures.
I would suggest trying 1/56th scale for the figures. Although that would make your 18th conversion even smaller.
How high is that little model? Ground to the top of the main hull, not the two protrusions.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Fri Apr 22, 2022 10:27 pm

Mind you, looking at the side door on the kit, it would appear the space inside would need a step up from where the hinges are to clear the top of the road wheels let alone the tracks running on return rollers. You may have to use a bit of artistic license on the size to gain a bit of credible realism.
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Postby Maccrage » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:10 am

Son of a gun-ner wrote:1/64th is 28mm high figures. Aren't GW figures nearer 30mm to 32mm? Although, their figures are quite chunky, and appear larger with all their armour. You will find they vary from set to set, and older figures to newer figures.
I would suggest trying 1/56th scale for the figures. Although that would make your 18th conversion even smaller.
How high is that little model? Ground to the top of the main hull, not the two protrusions.

GW vehicles and figures are actually out of scale to each other, with the Space Marine vehicles being especially bad, and getting worse, with GWs scale creep. Every few years, the new Marine minis keep getting bigger.

This is actually the second Rhino version. The first was even smaller. When this model was made, the scale of the figures was still 28mm, and the model was now scaled properly, however was still too small to fit 10 Marines inside. Kind of like the Aliens Colonial Marines APC. We know exactly how big it is. And we also know the like the TARDIS, it's bigger on the inside. GW started to increase the size of the Space Marine minis, an now the model is once again underscale compared to the minis. The Primaris Marines that come with the box set are 38mm, and I think the current Firstborn(real Mk7 Marines) are somewhere around what you said.

I like the older 28mm era, so using the width of gets this. Which would work, barely. Especially if you take the lore into account. The Rhino is an ancient Dark Age of Technology STC product. Therefore, they were around before the Space Marines were created, and was designed for normal humans. It is also currently used by the Adeptus Arbites and the Sisters of Battle, normal humans. It was once a pretty ubiquitous Imperial vehicle, but sincw the Horus Heresy they have become so rare and precious now they're restricted to those three. So it should be cramped for a full 10 man squad of Marines, but do-able. I see it as a capabilty that is used during major battles and emergencies and the like, with most of the routine use being by 5 man combat squads. The squad leader in the TC position on the left, leaving 4 Marines in the troop compartment.
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