Another Taigen T-34/85, Late '45

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Postby Dr Phibes » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:07 pm

Well, I thought it was about time I posted up what I have been preoccupying myself with since the Chieftain Mk10 build. Once again I have to provide this build in a kind of retrospect style since I just haven't been able to get around to posting as I go in the more traditional build thread fashion. Regardless, I hope it might be of some interest. Now I am moving on to my Panther project I thought it might be a good time to, first, wrap up my little T-34/85 effort.

I began with a broad idea of how I would approach my interpretation of the T-34/85. What I had in mind is something a little more 'used' and battered than I might go for with my other tanks. I wanted, as best I could, to give some sense of battle-weary, yet tough and brutal conditions this armour would often endure, not to mention those lived, drove, and fought in them. I suppose had something in mind like this;

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I had ordered a collection of parts and accessories to put together what was mainly a Taigen based T-34. Specifically, Forgebear tanks supplied the upper and lower hull, the latter of which is the metal reinforced bucket already fitted out with nice steel gearboxes and other fittings. The upper is the metal turret version complete with Asiatam recoil unit, Xenon flash, and wiring harness, etc. All provided, I might add, at a very reasonable price and quick delivery (as is usual with this supplier, as many of you know).
However, the real bonus was that Royal Mail had obviously heard about my plans for this build and decided to help me out by providing their on approach to battle damage! Despite being very well packaged they still managed shatter (see below) this T-34's glacis plate, crack the headlamp, blast off the spare track, and generally give it bit of beating :clap:

Of course Forgebear immediately offered a replacement but, as it happens and despite how it looks, it was actually a pretty easy fix and since I knew I would modifying the casting effect, etc, it was easier just to do that than to return it. The moral of this story? - nothing will save your tank from a detemined ParcelForce driver bent on doing his worst. :O :lolno:

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Anyway, enough of this negativity stuff, let's get on with the other stuff (I like 'stuff', whatever it is? :S ). I cobbled all the bits together and overall one just would not know that Royal Mail had attacked the tank. The completed blank canvas, as seen, included the metal road wheels, tracks, suspension arms gearboxes, turret and barrel, etc. Overall, I really like these Taigen/Torro tanks, they are well enough put together without being (too) ridiculously priced.

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T-34 05.jpg


Before breaking it back down I fitted it out with a spare old Taigen Ver.1 MFU just to spin up the gearboxes and running and to check everything was actually in good working order, which it was. I had already decided to keep, for now at least, the stock Asiatam recoil unit and X-man flash as I find these work pretty well overall. However, as I'm going to install a Clark TK40 I might at a later date decide to upgrade to servo recoil which is much better but, for now, it's a case of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'. Below is a pic of the otherwise fairly bone stock Taigen T-34.

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The following couple of pics are of the new speaker and speaker box. This is a design I first developed for my Chieftain and adapted for the Taigen T-34. In fact it ended up being quite a task. To gain the internal volume I wanted (as with the Chieftain) involved utilising every tiny bit of space available. In the end I extended the box under the Taigen quick release mechanism for the upper hull which entailed reversing the mechanism itself and, extending the box forward, entailed relocation of the universal unit for the 360 turret:

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The 3d printed bridge that relocates the 360 unit, seen as follows, places it dead centre . This means that no matter where the turret turns the tail of the harness stays pretty much exactly where it sits below the turret. This means the speak box can extend further up the hull than before and actually under the turret gear ring;;

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Having finished the speaker box (fitted with a Visatron FRS7, about as large as I could go really) the rest of the internal upgrade for this build could go ahead. As can be seen this includes the mentioned install of the Clark TK40SP (supplied by Mr Maxmekker here), a 2s 4600mA Lipo, a Tarr smoker - relocated between the gearboxes in the lower hull with removable smoke tubes:

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Squeezing this all in between the little space left by the Christie suspension was something of as battle itself. To accommodate the stock switch mounting plate and keep it in place I had to brace the front of the hull, as can be seen. The upgraded 10k volume control (works much better then stock) also takes up room so it was a real bonus using the S-Bus version of the TK40 because it made it possible to use a mini receiver (which also has built in battery voltage telemetry if you have a radio to utilise this!)

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Anyway, that's enough for now I think, before I really get boring!! I'll get back and add further development as soon as I can. Meanwhile, take care everyone and remember to have fun, it's the law!!! :crazy: :D :D
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Oct 28, 2021 10:56 pm

Following along with baited Breath, Doc :D :wave:
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Postby tomhugill » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:46 am

I love your work! The internal bits here look great so far. Can't wait to see the rest!

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Postby Kaczor » Fri Oct 29, 2021 7:55 am

Pity that nobody offers metal early road wheels like on the period picture.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Oct 29, 2021 10:36 am

Some great work here. Centering the 360 cable mount is so obvious you really have to wonder why Taigen didn't do it! I modified my turret ring but your crossbar is far neater.
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Postby EAO » Fri Oct 29, 2021 3:49 pm

Wow! Very clean and tidy! :thumbup:

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Postby tankme » Fri Oct 29, 2021 6:49 pm

It says on the Open Panzer TCB site that the 360 slip rings can cause issues with the IR receiver registering hits due to the electrical noise created by them. Have you had that issue? Just curious.

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Postby Raminator » Sat Oct 30, 2021 10:13 am

Stellar work with the design and fitout, Doctor. I'm impressed with your printed goodies, you've made a very neat and ordered setup. I fit an FRS7 in my T-34 and had to sacrifice the quick-release mechanism to get it to fit, so congratulations are definitely in order there! :clap:

A minor quibble though; the T-34 is a Soviet tank, not a Russian one. Morozov's design bureau was based in Kharkiv, so it'd be Ukrainian if anything. ;)

tankme wrote:It says on the Open Panzer TCB site that the 360 slip rings can cause issues with the IR receiver registering hits due to the electrical noise created by them. Have you had that issue? Just curious.

I've had issues with servos wiggling due to feedback through a slip ring before, but whether that was because of noise-creating contacts in the crappy HL unit or because I was using common +5V and ground rails for them I don't know. I've never had a chance to test the IR through them, but it stands to reason that they wouldn't be ideal for transmitting data.
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Postby Dr Phibes » Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:24 pm

Many thanks everyone , as always, for the encouraging comments. Tankme, I set all my tanks up as 'battle ready' but, in fact, never really battle them. Rather, I mostly just bash them (fairly lightly) around the garden, etc. However, I do test the IR system once built and have not noticed any issue, but I'm certainly not the best judge of such things by any measure.
Raminator, I have no doubt you are correct that I should have perhaps labelled this a Soviet tank - my only excuse is old age :D

I have some more images of progress ready here. Having pretty much finished the internal upgrade I again torn down the upper hull to a few fairly small modifications. My first thoughts were to try and make use of the details hidden beneath the engine deck covers. The louvre details under the covers were inaccessible in stock form so I had the idea of making the covers openable, as I had seen in other builds here.

T-34 15.jpg


In the end I opted to do make only the rearmost cover openable and use this as access to the engine compartment. However, I the round cover in the rear armour, also a non-opening moulded fixture, bothered (no idea why :crazy: ). Consequently, I design and 3d printed a reproduction of the bolt fittings, removed the moulded cover, and fitted it with a working hinge:

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One of the things I laboured over was the overall finish/look I wanted to achieve with this particular tank. This is a late war T-34 and many if not most of the images seem to suggest a pretty hard, if short, life. I wanted, on this occasion to capture, if I could, some of that battle-weary, brutality that appeared to me evident in so many of those old pictures. I like the look of clean, factory fresh, tanks too - but not for this one I thought. A few images caught my eye in particular, here's a well known one;

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The 'bedspring' T-34 certainly is appealing and there are one or two excellent builds here of this unusual 'upgraded' T. In the end tough I wanted something more typical of what I had seen. The following encapsulates something of what I had in mind at least;

T-34-85 Berlin 1945.jpg

The picture (above) shows the way the fenders, tool boxes, and auxiliary tanks, etc, could often be fairly well beaten up. With this in mind I incorporated a bit 'wear and tear' into the proceedings;

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In addition, I wanted to represent something of the very rough castings that could be found on these tanks (apparently depending on factory, day of the week, available materials, and competence or otherwise of the workers, etc) :D :
T-34 22.jpg

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This picture is of my attempt to emulate a very rough cast turret using a new (to me) medium from AK (Easy Cast). I always find scale (and scale effect) a problem, probably because these mediums are developed with 1:35 scale in mind, not 1:16. I think it appears a little too 'rough' but then I have seen some pretty rough cast examples on these T's.
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As soon as I can I'll put together some further progress with build.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:33 pm

A couple of pics that might help, Doc. These were taken when a working T-34 and a military 'circus' visited Highland Wester Ross, in 2017. (It even fired the cannon...but...but... with a real blank... :thumbup: ) The hull's not nearly as rough as the turret. The Turret, in fact, resembles my own poor attempt at pebble-dashing :/ It could also be a homemade wholemeal loaf. :think:
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T-34 visiting Wester Ross in the Highlands

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T34's rear end. Highlands, 2017.
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Postby Dr Phibes » Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:54 pm

Thanks 43rd, very nice pics too. Here's a couple I found useful as well (they show some differing grades of casting, I think?);

This one appears relatively smooth (for a T-34 it seems! 8O ). That said this appears to be a post-war tank or at least one with post-war 'upgrades' ;)

T-34 Turret 02.jpg


But here's one of the 'rougher' Friday afternoon turrets. I think they didn't just cast it they also rendered it with a nice layer of concrete :haha: ;

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Oct 31, 2021 9:54 pm

The T series turrets are as much a signature of the manufacturer as certain things are to Panthers etc.
MNH Daimler Benz etc have features that easily indenting them, as do T24/85 turrets.
I have got the quick reference guide somewhere, I will locate it and post it here to help.
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Postby tankme » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:16 pm

Looks good. I always struggle with wanting to make my tanks look a little beat up vs just leaving them as is.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:29 pm

http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/ru ... /rpt34.htm

That article covers the turret signatures.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=17735

My build link in case its handy.

The turrets are such a marker for the tanks identity that when yours is a 'late 45' does that mean it was produced in 45 or an older built version that will be period set in 45 ?
There are different features is all.
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Postby tankme » Sun Oct 31, 2021 11:19 pm

Comparing that page to the Taigen metal turret, it seems that it is the "Flattened Style" Turret, 1945 Production as it is the only version with the Type C roof.

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Postby Dr Phibes » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:26 am

HERMAN BIX wrote:http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/russia/rpt34/rpt34.htm

That article covers the turret signatures.

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=17735

My build link in case its handy.

The turrets are such a marker for the tanks identity that when yours is a 'late 45' does that mean it was produced in 45 or an older built version that will be period set in 45 ?
There are different features is all.


Thank you very much Herman, I do have that link and have pursued it (I think I might of got it from your build thread if I recall?) but, to be honest haven't really had time to study it (or others) as much as would have liked. I should add I spent some time going through your build thread and it was a big part of my thinking about going the way of the 'bedspring' T, it just looks so unusual and makes for an interesting discussion piece to boot! :thumbup:
Regarding the reference to Late '45 I had in mind a loose idea of late 1945 production T, as suggested by Taigen (which seems consistent with the turret the later features mapped out in the Lynx link and the Haynes manual - my main sources for what little knowledge of this tank I have). To a large extent the Taigen metal turret dictated that decision, but certainly little more than that (and the later production wheels - mainly because as pointed out the earlier version doesn't seem available, though these seems to be mixed and matched to some extent anyway) I was looking to give some sense of a fairly worn and fought machine in the later stage of the war, though not quite burn out and abandoned.
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Postby Dr Phibes » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:40 am

tankme wrote:Comparing that page to the Taigen metal turret, it seems that it is the "Flattened Style" Turret, 1945 Production as it is the only version with the Type C roof.


Yes, Tankme, you are right it certainly is a 'type C' flattened style (1945 production) turret - this appears to be pretty precisely what Taigen followed.
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:04 am

As for the question of early wheels, I know a body that does a very good printed set :shifty:
Mr Raminator can produce the sort you need to open up the timeline on any T34 variant.
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Postby Jofaur86 » Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:29 am

Dr Phibes wrote:
tankme wrote:Comparing that page to the Taigen metal turret, it seems that it is the "Flattened Style" Turret, 1945 Production as it is the only version with the Type C roof.


Yes, Tankme, you are right it certainly is a 'type C' flattened style (1945 production) turret - this appears to be pretty precisely what Taigen followed.


genesis of T34, for info, if necessary !!!
https://www.cohfrance.org/topic/1501-présentation-de-char-n°6-le-t-34/
http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Files/1-V ... ks/T-34(85)/File/1-Genesis-Production.htm
https://fr-academic.com/dic.nsf/frwiki/337315
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-34#Desc ... _technique

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 pm

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/t3485bg_2.html

A bit more light reading !
I forgot I had this...........wheels just didnt seem to be a thing back then, but they sure do now ;)
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