Taigen panzer iv kit.

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:28 am

Well santa came and dropped on my lap the excellent taigen panzer iv kit. So I've got it sitting here eyeing me up, blow me no instructions. Ok. No worries. Time to start with the suspension. I'm doing this all by guess work so excuse me. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Stay tuned. Here we go.

The first pic is off the main suspension component. I assume the two circle rings sit ontop of one another with a small spring sandwiched between them. The right hand joint then has a small cut put for the long suspension arm to sit into.

Second pic shows the compmeated assemble attached to the hull. ImageImage

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:04 am

The entire left hand side has nie had the main suspension components added. I have a bunch of screws left over from the installation. So who knows. Hopefully the instructions will turn up here in the next few days. Thanks all and stay tuned. Image

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Postby Jimster » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:51 am

Have you tried doing a search for an online instruction manual? Maybe Taigen USA website has a link to the manual. YouTube could have some assembly videos as well. Pardon me if you’ve already tried all that.

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:07 am

I've tried YouTube and Google but nothing seems to really turn up.

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:41 am

I cannot seem to help myself. It now has wheels. Not sure how to attach the runners or the idlers. But I'll try and muddle through. Now onto the right hand side of the tank. Image

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Postby Model Builder 4 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:48 am

Try this link Moofles, hope it may be of some help :thumbup:

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https://www.taigentanks.com/taigen-user-manuals
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 12:38 pm

Unfortunately, that's the manual for the ready to run tank. I'll send a message to Erik and see if they have an instruction sheet for the kit and if they do I'll figure out a way to get it posted for you.
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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:46 pm

Erik says there are no instructions for any of the kits except the tiger one. But you seem to be doing pretty well so far and I'm sure if you run into any snags the guys here will be able to help you, myself included. Like I said, I have both the winter and summer version so I can get you photos of anything that you need to see.
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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:11 pm

Max-U52 wrote:Erik says there are no instructions for any of the kits except the tiger one. But you seem to be doing pretty well so far and I'm sure if you run into any snags the guys here will be able to help you, myself included. Like I said, I have both the winter and summer version so I can get you photos of anything that you need to see.
No worries boss thanks for the help. Could you have a look see at how your return rollers are attached. I'm thinking I'm going to need to bolts or something.

Each return roller is split into two parts. With just a press fitting holding them together. What screw or bolt attaches them to the main hull? Any one has any ideas. Like wise with the return rollers. Those are split into two parts. With 2 small screws holding them together. I need to find put what screw is used to attach them to the main hull. ImageImage

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Postby Max-U52 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:16 pm

You attach the inner roller with the screw and then the outer roller just gets press-fit on to that. I did a video on all this once when I did a Commission job on a P4, so I'll see if I can find that. There's lots of good information in there. For example, I found that those silly robogrip pliers from Sears are absolutely perfect for pressing the return rollers together. I'll see if I can find a video when I get home from work.
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Postby john1970 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:51 pm

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bottom left hand corner of picture shows the bolts you get with the lower hull its the ones with lines on that hold the return rollers on they just press in

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:57 pm

Ah it's the pins with the groves running parallel to the shaft are for the return rollers. And they are just pressfit? Nice. Let me start having a crack.

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 7:24 pm

Ah perfect chaps. It worked. I now have the beginnings of some return rollers. Now does anyone have any clue as to which screw holds the idler in places. It's either a single tapped bolt. Or a screw. Not sure which. *insert screwed puns here*Image

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:01 pm

My own experience of assembling the Taigen metal suspension, was as frustrating as yours is beginning to appear. :/ The pressfit idea doesn't really work, I discovered. Under pressure, when in use, the return rollers can split, and so can the wheels. My solution, was a judicious internal dab of metal epoxy. You'll also find that the square clips, that hold the 'leaf' springs in place, have an annoying tendency to snap quite easily. :|
I used twisted wire on the three that broke on mine, rather try find replacement clips. They were fitted to an Asiatam alloy hull I was using in a Pz IV build. The thread's on here somewhere.

Edit: there's a bit about the suspension on p.4 on my PZ IV thread here:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=23848&p=222776&hilit=Asiatam+metal+hull#p222776
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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:51 pm

Noted thanks for the heads up. I think in have the suspension sorted now. The big thing holding me back is the rear idler set up. I'm not sure which screw to use. It's one of the two shown below. I think if the left hand set up as I have ot mounted in the rear ideler. But I'm not 100 percent sure. Any advice. Image

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Thu Dec 26, 2019 10:09 pm

Ok so I bite the bullet and used my best guess. The beast now has idlers all attached with bearings inserted everything runs smoothly. I'm waiting for eric to get back in stock the required gear boxes and I'm waiting for Forgebear to get back in stock there Zimmeret set. Image

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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:06 am

Ok, so I'm toying with the idea of making my own zimmerit on this beast..I throw out to masses however. What would you use for putty. Anyone have any tricks or tips? I was thinking initially of using milliput and a flat headed screw driver to make the impressions.

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Postby HERMAN BIX » Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:47 am

I use a heated stubby screwdriver on my plastic for Zim.
With metal, you have no option but to use putty/miliput.
From what Ive seen, the problem with using putty is keeping the thickness even, and thin enough to look right.
I have used flexible gap filler which is acrylic and paintable, but has a long cure time. Ideal for application & pattern laying.
On my StuG I did an area that didnt matter if it was no good, then as I got the hang of it, went onto the proper areas.

trial and hopefully low error mate ;)
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Postby jarndice » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:20 am

I cant stay on line for long I have large sharp rocks in my eye :lolno:
I have to ask some questions about the PZ4 Taigen Metal hull (As distinct from the Body or Turret :haha: )
The rear rollers on each side should be 3 to 5 mm lower than the three rollers in front of them,
A dremel will cut them off and http://www.rctank.de/ is a source for replacements,
E-Bay is where I bought a pair of bearings that act as supports for the gearbox output shafts,
Simply push them down the shaft all the way into the non removable output shaft housings and glue them in place,
The fitting of the idlers is a problem if you want to be able to fit, remove and adjust the tension of the tracks because there is no provision for track adjusters,
Using your Dremel or an Exacto Saw remove the extended threaded fitting which the idler screws into until it is flush,
You will need an Extended "Tap" to drive a thread right through the fitting,
The Track adjuster can be obtained from the aforementioned http://www.rctank.de/,
There is only one PZ4 Metal hull that is without fault and that is the Tamiya ABS/Metal Combination,
The Asiatam and the Taigen Metal hulls require far to much work,
As to the Suspension, In the words of Kenneth Williams "Its a disgrace" :haha: ,
The tags as has already been mentioned slide/fall off, the fix is a dab of "Loctite 243",
The Taigen suspension used to include some very small springs` the holes for their fitting are still to be found on the faux spring block,
Taigen discovered that no part of their PZ4 Suspension actually works so now they leave the little springs off,
If you can get hold of the Tamiya Suspension that is a much better alternative,
As to plans for your build,
The Tamiya PZ4 Assembly instructions can be downloaded from the Download section on the Header at the top of this page they are very useful when putting together a Taigen or a Heng Long PZ4.
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Postby Von Mooflesaaa » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:21 am

So i throw this question out to the masses, what sort of gear box do I throw into the little beast, do I wait for Taigens V2 steel ball bearing gear boxes to be back in stock, or go a different route? Advice, views, thoughts? rambles. go for it.
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