Torro Late Production Tiger 1 Restoration

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Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:20 am

I picked this one up off Ebay, bit of a bargain. Metal recoiling barrel, torsion bar suspension, gearboxes on a metal plate, muzzle flash, zimmerit, switches and volume under the front hatches, and came in a huge aluminium flight case. The gearboxes 'look' like HL white metal, but they must be steel gears as it runs silently and smooth as silk.

Downside was a grey upper, and camo lower, but as I will airbrush it to match my KT and Panther this isn't a problem.

It needs decent sound, so I am looking at either trying to replicate a TCB using an Arduino 2560 (I already have a couple), with a PWM>Sbus converter, 2 speed controllers, and a Benedini Mini Clone, or using a Clark TK22 from a different tank, and hooking the Mini up to that for better sounds. I may have to create the soundfiles for the Mini, but as I used to do that for my old Elmod boards, that wouldn't be a problem.

I picked up my bottle of Asda cheapie non-acetone nail varnish, a pack of cotton wool, and rubbed the upper hull. The original camo started to appear, so I went over the whole thing. The grey came straight off. Great!

The aeriel stowage tube was sanded off, and all of the accessories removed, they weren't glued on, so that was a nice simple job.

Next job will be to strip the upper down, and sand off the tools, then fit nice metal jobbies, along with tow rope brackets etc. The running gear is in A1 condition, so as to whether I fit metal tracks is up for debate at the moment.
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Postby jarndice » Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:56 am

Nice catch and very nice plan :thumbup:
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:32 am

Lots of Torro Tiger 1's appearing on the forum lately. . . .

Yeah, great catch Mr Wobbly :thumbup:

I'm really impressed by how that grey paint came off :clap:
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:10 pm

Good score !!
This should be an exciting one ;)
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Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Aug 07, 2019 12:52 pm

Best paint remover on the planet and as cheap as chips. Nail varnish remover for plastic nails, it doesn't contain acetone so it won't damage the plastic. It shifts paint incredibly well, I used it on a clear Lexan rock crawler bodyshell, which had two coats on both the inside and outside, it took the whole lot off. Just gentle wiping with cotton wool. :clap:
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Postby jarndice » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:18 pm

It might be a good idea to put "Acetone Free Nail Varnish Remover" in the "Tips and Tricks" section of the Forum.
Headed Paint Remover.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:27 pm

jarndice wrote:It might be a good idea to put "Acetone Free Nail Varnish Remover" in the "Tips and Tricks" section of the Forum.
Headed Paint Remover.

I've just quoted Mr WibblyWobbly in the Scarecrow (Rocketman) thread about paint stripper for models.
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Postby jarndice » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:32 pm

Well Mick as we both seem to agree that it is both a Tip and a Trick perhaps that is the section of the Forum it should go to :thumbup:
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Postby Ad Lav » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:49 pm

Got to love a good late Tiger I.

I’ve been uhmming and ahing about doing a Tamiya later Tiger but the wheels are rather expensive.
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:50 pm

Yep, off you go Mr WibblyWobbly :thumbup:
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Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:56 pm

It's now in the Tips and Tricks. :wave:

I agree about converting a Tamiya, the Torro is as good as one, and come in Early, Mid, or Late versions. They are also ready assembled, and of course are very easy to adapt to aftermarket electronics. :D
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Postby Ad Lav » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:00 pm

Trouble is it gets out of hand!

You end up with three Tigers! I already have too many HVSS Sherman’s :)

I’ll keep watching your resto :D
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Postby wibblywobbly » Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:42 pm

Removed the front track guards, and a couple of side ones. Roughed up the area behind the side ones so that I can apply milliput and extend the zimmerit down. When it was applied at the factory they did the whole of the sides and then put the guards on, so with the guards gone the zimmerit would be exposed.

It's going to be done as battle weary late war Tiger so will need to look as though as if it has been through a few battles....but not 'too' rough.
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Postby wibblywobbly » Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 pm

All of the zimmerit now applied, and I managed to find a screwdriver that is the same width as the original indents, so that came out quite nicely. All of the tools and the jackblock have been sanded off and all surfaces smoothed. Used a hot gun to bend the fenders slightly as well. I also did the bit that most miss, the ends of the vertical glacis should be sloped, Tamiya is the only manufacturer that did it properly, the Heng Long original fault has been copied across all the other manufacturers who copied their mistake. :/

The ariel stowage has gone, but needs some filler to neaten it up a bit.

I'll get hold of some brass strips and make replacement brackets etc, but do them a bit mangled with no tools. Looking at pics none of those pristine tools lasted very long in the real world.
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Postby Ad Lav » Fri Aug 09, 2019 7:30 am

Hate doing zimmerit with a passion, that looks great and matches the kit applied really well!
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Postby wibblywobbly » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:12 am

I just realised from looking at one of my own pics above that zimmerit is missing along the bottom of the rear turret, darn! Out with the milliput again. :S
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:26 am

Well, I'm sure you will do it every bit as well as your other bits you did.

I have a set of the Tamiya Tiger 1 stick on zimmerit that I want to put on a Taigen Tiger. So all this is a great learning curve for me and what I have to do extra for a late version :thumbup:
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Postby wibblywobbly » Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:44 am

Interestingly, it seems that zim was not applied to the Tiger front sloping glacis, even though all scale models seem to have it applied? On top of this, of course is the length of the war, campaign location, Late production timescales, and zimmerit use timescales. They all overlap, so a late war T1 may not have had any zimmerit at all, and an early one in Africa likewise. Oh, how I love this hobby! :D :D :D

https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235026791-a-question-about-zimmerit-on-tiger-i-tanks/
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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:01 pm

Yeah, I find it funny that a mid Tiger was more likely to have zimmerit than a late, yet there seems to be an almost obsession with having zimmerit on a late Tiger.
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Postby General Jumbo01 » Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:32 pm

When was it that they decided that the protection offered was not worth the time and cost of applying it. The Russian troops soon learned to toss the magnetic mines on a level top plate.

From a purely cosmetic modelling point of view l like it, and fitting it is a fun challenge too but you do need good, soft decals and plenty of liquid softening agent.
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