Comet A34- Ludwig kit

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sat May 11, 2019 9:35 pm

Not happy with the hatch support arms. A touch of laziness crept in there. I took the hatches off and reworked the arms to look like the real things (much as I did with the Cromwell project). Mole hills become mountains rapidly in model making, when a detail isn't right, It nags and nags until something's done about it. (Much like the image of the old stereotypes housewife in curlers, pinnie, and a fag hanging out of her mouth :lolno: )
I'm happy with these now, as they're a reasonable take on the real things.
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I cut away all the Milliput and angle bracket, and cut bevels into the arms to get a more plausible feel.
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These revised arms mow merit some real miniature retaining bolts in the hinges, to satisfy the inner semi-nerd. :D
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun May 12, 2019 9:41 am

Firstly, just let me (especially if CL happens to read this) that I'm a massive fan of CL's kits and mastery of kit production. Furthermore, he alone has been effectively waving the Union Jack for British armour in 1/16 and redressing the ridiculous absence of brit vehicles from commercial sources (Wake up Tamiya, Taigen, Heng Long, and others @) !). Alone, that is, until Clark came along with (as yet unbuilt, and untested) British
prototypes.
That said, the instruction Pdfs, as some who have noted here after going down the CL flatback build road, are- shall we say- a little muddling some times.
Here's just one example from the Comet Pdf.
The red arrows indicate brackets attached to the air intake base- note their orientation. Also, note the obvious Cromwell turret on the left :|
This pic appears quite early in the build Pdf
Comet-Cromwell- mixup pic A.jpeg
Comet-Cromwell mashup pic A
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But..if you start the assembly this way, you'll have an instant problem because the rectangular section supplied with Comet is not that high.., and the lugs/brackets are oriented horizontally- not vertically
Comet-Cromwell mixup pic B.jpeg
Comet-Cromwell mashup...pic B
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Once again, it's a good idea to check for inconsistencies before starting. Then your build should be less frustrating. :thumbup:
My advice is always to have a good supply of reference photos to hand, for comparison purposes. IMO, this is one of the best, and most useful, sites out there :thumbup: :thumbup: :
http://the.shadock.free.fr/Surviving_Panzers.html
For Brit armour, click on the 'Commonwealth' link on the top left, then select your model from the list that appears on the right. Thereafter, a download icon array should appear. The one for the Comet, containing loads of pics complete and partial examples in some 10mb, so I can't upload it here; but here's just one useful shot I gleaned from it:
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Bare-bones Comet 1a showing suspension and other details
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For the present, I can't go much further with the hull, because I'm waiting for several bits are in a sprue that wasn't delivered. (Like the base plate for the MG; but I made one myself).
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun May 12, 2019 8:30 pm

I now have openable driver and gunner hatches, thanks to some M1.4 bolts (2mm a/f) from Prime-Miniatures:
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I'm short of some essential parts for the storage bins, and await the metal version of the front driver's portal, so I thought I'd have a shot at the towing arm that was fitted to the Comet, Cromwell, and Churchill. Luckily, I have all those bits.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Sun May 12, 2019 8:42 pm

OK, well here goes with the towing arm.
First all the parts (but, I overlooked one tiny component out of the is pic- but it appears later)
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No modelling toolbox could be complete without a pin vice ('vise' in the US :/ ) or two... :)
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and with the dinkiest part finally in place (not for cumberland sausage fingers :lolno: )
The completed towing bracket. It will have to wait until I've built the lower hull for a permanent place to dwell. :)
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I will add more 2mm bolts later, to improve the look, but for now, I've run out.
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Tue May 14, 2019 10:03 pm

The pic of the towing arm will make more sense in these pics- attached to the rear plate it will be mounted with. This is the actual orientation of the unit (it was shown upside down before...or, the right way up if you're viewing from the Antipodes :D
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Now seen with towing eyes fitted.. I find it helpful to pre-assembly these parts, and- in general- to separate out individual components and their parts into plastic bags, to make them easier to find later, or to bond them to there host destinations on the sprues.

Incidentally. This thread is really a build and review thread, not a critique of CL's products. Christian's work is invaluable. Nuff said.
The kits are described as 'basic', however, meaning when the basic bits run out, you have to scratch build the rest yourself. :)
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A bit of light sanding all over will neaten the assembly nicely, prior to painting. I might use 'Mrsurfacer' to recreate a bit of pitting.
The bolts came from Prime- miniatures today. It's a great outlet, and they posted to the Highlands free of charge! Yay.. :P
https://prime-miniatures.co.uk/catalog/ ... head/brass
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Postby HERMAN BIX » Wed May 15, 2019 2:08 am

Looking in on this one Mr 43rd, I admire your dedication :thumbup:
When parts ship to the Highlands, does anything from Italy still have difficulty with that wall up there, or do they have the courage to go all the way now !!?? :haha: :haha:
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Postby ilgar ismailov » Wed May 15, 2019 7:20 am

Very interesting and detailed building! Itself I want the same set. How many did cost to you if not a secret?
With interest I observe! Good luck! :wave:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Wed May 15, 2019 9:59 am

HERMAN BIX wrote:Looking in on this one Mr 43rd, I admire your dedication :thumbup:
When parts ship to the Highlands, does anything from Italy still have difficulty with that wall up there, or do they have the courage to go all the way now !!?? :haha: :haha:


:D ...er, that was two walls, Herman- Hadrian's (very roughly along and near the current English-Scottish border), and the lesser known Antonine Wall which ran between the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh area) and the Firth of Clyde (Glasgow area). The Romans never did subdue the Picts (our painted ancestors), but quite a lot of Italian Prisoners of War stayed on after 1945- almost 2,000 years later, to make ice cream in Glasgow, and atone for the shameless marauding of their forebears.... :D Just desserts (pun intended :D ), I'd say :haha:
It's items that should be coming from Germany that I'm frustrated with right now... :shh: :shifty:
As an incidental, the bast**ds doon sooth like to levy extra charges on parcels to the Highlands. We are treated as 'offshore' by many, either out of woeful geographical knowledge, or simply just to wind us up. @)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Wed May 15, 2019 10:09 am

ilgar ismailov wrote:Very interesting and detailed building! Itself I want the same set. How many did cost to you if not a secret?
With interest I observe! Good luck! :wave:


Morning, Maestro!
Well, Ilgar, here's the pricelist for the basic elements of the kit on Christian's website.
http://www.ludwigs-hobby-seite.de/Comet.html
Apart from the bits you would have to make yourself, or have printed (I've just got some bits for the engine deck from Shapeways.); you will also have to factor in gearboxes, Pz 3/IV idlers, some form of recoil unit
(Clark option, and others)...and more besides. I've also ordered his bespoke drive sprockets, but I placed my order in early March, and I'm still waiting.... still, it's said that good things are worth waiting for. :problem:
But...notwithstanding the niggles, frustration, and necessary guesswork, it really is a load of fun to build this kit :thumbup: :thumbup: It has the potential to be a really beautiful model.. ..................
when built by somebody else :lolno:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Wed May 15, 2019 3:51 pm

Just downloaded these Comet blueprints from, well....https://www.the-blueprints.com/search/A34/...as I needed overhead projections. In the main, pictures of tanks rarely show images taken from above (unless they were in the gun camera of a Tank-busting 'plane). I need an overhead projection to work out the correct positions for various add ons, and to get the relative scales of the parts involved right.
Luckily, I just received some bits from Shapeways that were made for the Cromwell, but which would also have been fitted to the Comet. Last time around, on my Cromwell build, I had to make these bits myself. :problem:
Meantime, here are some Comet projections:
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..and the Shapeway odds and sods:
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These are finely detailed, and bang on, scale-wise. My only concern is that they feel a little brittle and fragile. They also look as if they've been made from melted Fox's Glacier Mints (some will remember sucking on those :D ). Still, I attached them with two-part epoxy (Plastic Fusion), and trust that they'll stay where I put them. Fingers crossed. :problem:
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Postby PainlessWolf » Wed May 15, 2019 5:02 pm

Good morning, Roy,
Those Shapeways bits in that clear material are done so to preserve and recreate fine detail in small objects. I've used them to a great degree on Crazy Joes M36 B and they were just fine. Easily as durable as molded plastic would be at that scale. Just treat them like you would any fine detailed part and you will be fine. ( even small objects folded out of brass like ABER 's stuff need extra care in use ) They glue, prime and paint just like any other plastic. Following along!
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Postby Model Builder 4 » Wed May 15, 2019 7:21 pm

Evening Roy,

I used the same add on parts from shapeways for my Cromwell build, I agree with the items seemingly being a tad brittle, most of them were fine though aside from the side storage box clasps which are very small and finely detailed so extra care was needed to remove them from the sprue and put in place, I'm sure you'll do a great job with them :thumbup:

Cheers, Lee.
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Postby tomhugill » Thu May 16, 2019 11:31 am

Model Builder 4 wrote:Evening Roy,

I used the same add on parts from shapeways for my Cromwell build, I agree with the items seemingly being a tad brittle, most of them were fine though aside from the side storage box clasps which are very small and finely detailed so extra care was needed to remove them from the sprue and put in place, I'm sure you'll do a great job with them :thumbup:

Cheers, Lee.


Do you have a link to those parts?
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Postby Model Builder 4 » Thu May 16, 2019 1:18 pm

Hi Tom, the main add on parts came from this guy on shapeways, https://www.shapeways.com/shops/zavod3d , there are a couple of other items under 1/16 Cromwell as well :thumbup:

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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu May 16, 2019 5:10 pm

Thanks, Lee. :thumbup: I thought I'd posted Zavod's link, as it's good practice to give useful references. Slipped up there :/ :D
Thanks, Painless, Lee, and Tom for looking in. Yes, I bought some Cromwell bits before (from Shapeways) that were highly detailed, like these, and which also appeared as delicate as a souffle. Once bonded, though, and painted they should last. Most of the bits in Zavod's set I made myself, in the Cromwell build, and it shows. Still, when not peeked at too closely, they look OK- but they're not in this league. I want a tank that runs without bits falling off, and so 'museum quality' is not my avowed aim. But I do want it them to look authentic at first sight. :problem:
I'm not into battling my tanks (no-one to share a lazy afternoon's armoured incursion with around here ;) ), and so there's no real need to sacrifice detail for robustness.
That said, as runners, they should be able to take a bit of rough Highland brae.
I've been using this overhead projection (age has withered my recall of Geometrical and Engineering terminology). Anyway...
What I do is to scale the drawing up on my iMac screen so that the drawing's almost exactly the same length as a corresponding part in the kit (side-plate, in this instance).
This is how I worked out the angles, and dimensions of the Upper Hull lifting eyes (below), and the fact that the hatch handles are around 10mm wide. That will prove handy later :thumbup:
This is me measuring the length of the lift eye/lift bracket:
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Note: these brackets don't appear in Christian's kit, so if you want one- you'll have to make one. The dimensions are roughly 12 mm (vertically), 15 mm horizontally, and the angle is roughly 33 deg. (with top edge as base)
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu May 16, 2019 5:21 pm

A tip I'd like to reinforce ( no jests about viagra..) is keeping hold of old sprues- especially from CL's kits. If you mess a part up, or lose one, you can always use the outline of it in the old sprue to mark a new one out.
Here's one where I'm marking out the sides of the Storage bins using the old parts sprue from the Cromwell build.
The bins, along with several other key components, can't be constructed at the moment, as crucial bits haven't yet arrived (one or two smaller detailed sprues never made the post... :problem:
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Aside from providing a handy templates for creating or replacing parts, the sprues themselves (1.5mm-3mm) can be shaped into donor material :thumbup:
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Thu May 16, 2019 5:36 pm

Using some 3mm offcuts, and the dimensions I gleaned from the screen, I marked out the lifting eyes/brackets roughly:
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Then, cut and shaped a prototype. Getting the hypotenuse angle of the bracket (approx 33 deg) was a simple matter of holding the bracket up to the blueprint. Getting the angle at which the brackets attach to the front armour plate right..was not quite so simple. The brackets lean forward like horns:
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So that's two angles to fashion correctly. :problem:
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Getting the same angle on the brackets where they will bond with the front plate...
One in place:
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It sort of looks the biz...
Now for the second:
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Hmm..well, I'm happy with the shape and angle of fitment. But to circumvent the possibility of them being knocked off later, by some shout-worth mischance, I'll drill and fit some tiny pegs to make the bond stronger, and then conceal them with some filler. :thumbup:
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Postby PainlessWolf » Thu May 16, 2019 9:03 pm

Good afternoon, Roy!
Splendid work! Whenever I hear that someone is pegging a part to ensure it stays put, I know that this modeler knows his stuff. I am about to attach some metal spare tracks and mounts I put together onto the the lower of the IS-2. Posts and drill holes to match will definitely be used for such heavy pieces. Following along,
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri May 17, 2019 8:25 pm

PainlessWolf wrote:Good afternoon, Roy!
Splendid work! Whenever I hear that someone is pegging a part to ensure it stays put, I know that this modeler knows his stuff. I am about to attach some metal spare tracks and mounts I put together onto the the lower of the IS-2. Posts and drill holes to match will definitely be used for such heavy pieces. Following along,
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Thanks, Painless, for the vote of confidence. :thumbup:
Most of the styrene joints in a kit or scratch effort of this sort are practically welds, and will never come apart easily. Grafting pieces on, however, like these obtrusive lifting brackets, is always going to make for weaker joints than in other areas. Thus, the pins will be a bit of insurance. Good luck with the IS 2 mods. Though luck probably won't be needed :thumbup: It's a fine looking beast!
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Postby 43rdRecceReg » Fri May 17, 2019 8:43 pm

I'm just chugging along waiting for bits to arrive. I'd like to start on the lower hull, but need some metal-friendly 2-part epoxy to bind the halves of the alloy swingarms together (Each arm consists of L and R halves).
And part of one arm missed the post. :|
Feeling a tad frustrated, I've decided to try and finish as much of the Upper Hull's exterior before moving on.
Time to build the Air Intake box.
These are the only parts to arrive. The sprue containing the edges (six bits in all) should appear before too long...
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Meantime, I decided to make the edge pieces myself from 3mm sprue offcuts.
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The outlines/ templates for these four bits came from the old Cromwell sprue. Glad I didn't throw it away ;) The long front and rear edges were also sourced from sprue. Luckily, I had some good printed straight edges to work with.
Here are the bits I need now, after a lot of sawing and cutting, and the first has just been bonded in place (rectangle)
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Then the main, sloped, inner struts
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