Chieftain Mk V scratch build

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Postby AlwynTurner » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:22 pm

In between my other projects I've started on the Chieftain scratch build.

Blueprint (off a mk1.5 - best blueprint I could find)
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Started on the horstman suspension - pic of the 1/35 version I am using for dimensions/scaling
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Here's my design so far
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The design is in 3 parts, the main suspension, swing arm, and spring holder, and here's the code for anyone with a printer who needs suspension for a Chieftain or Centurion.

module suspension () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
union () {
difference () { //back plate

translate ([-30,0,0]) rotate ([-10,0,0]) cube ([ 60,1.5,35]);
translate ([30,0,11]) rotate ([0,-14,0]) cube ([ 10,10,25]);
translate ([-39.8,0,13.5]) rotate ([0,14,0]) cube ([ 10,10,25]);
translate ([-32.7,0,-5]) rotate ([0,-28,0]) cube ([ 10,8,16]);
translate ([24,0,0]) rotate ([0,29,0]) cube ([ 10,8,16]);
} // end back plate
translate ([-22.5,2.5,16]) cube ([ 45,15,10]);
translate ([-22.5,2.5,26]) cube ([ 45,10,5]);
translate ([-22.5,12.5,26]) rotate ([0,90,0]) cylinder ( h=45, r=5);
translate ([-22.5,15.5,7]) cube ([ 45,2,9.5]);
translate ([-13,15.5,-2]) cube ([ 26,2,10]);
translate ([-6,15.5,-9]) cube ([ 12,2,10]);
translate ([-7,17.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=2, r=6);
translate ([7,17.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=2, r=6);
translate ([-13,0,-2]) cube ([ 26,3.5,12]);
translate ([-6,0,-9]) cube ([ 12,3.5,10]);
translate ([-7,3.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3.5, r=6);
translate ([7,3.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3.5, r=6);
translate ([0,18,27]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=12, r=7);
translate ([0,23.5,27]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=5.5, r2=7, r1=4.5);
translate ([-1,2,-9]) cube ([ 2,15,11]);
translate ([20,8,26]) rotate ([0,40,0]) cube ([ 10,3,4]);
translate ([27,8.5,21]) rotate ([0,50,0]) cube ([ 4,2,3]);
translate ([19.5,8,21]) rotate ([0,0,0]) cube ([ 6,3,4]);
translate ([-27.8,8,19.5]) rotate ([0,-40,0]) cube ([ 10,3,4]);
translate ([-30,8.5,17.5]) rotate ([0,-50,0]) cube ([ 4,2,3]);
translate ([-25.5,8,21]) rotate ([0,0,0]) cube ([ 6,3,4]);

}
translate ([-30,-6.25,1]) rotate ([-10,0,0]) cube ([ 60,6.5,42]); //clean back plate
translate ([-22.5,18,6.5]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3, r=9.5);
translate ([22.5,18,6.5]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3, r=9.5);
translate ([-7,17.6,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3, r=1.5);
translate ([7,17.6,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3, r=1.5);
translate ([-7,4,-2.5]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=6, r=1.5);
translate ([7,4,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=6, r=1.5);
translate ([0,24.5,27]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=22, r=1.5);

}

}
suspension () ;

module suspension_arm () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
union () {
translate ([7,15,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=11, r=5);
translate ([31,17,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=13, r=6);
translate ([31,22.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=6, r=5);
translate ([28,6,0]) rotate ([0,-25,0]) cube ([3,8,12]);
translate ([23,6,0]) rotate ([0,0,0]) cube ([4,8,12.5]);
translate ([7,4,-8]) cube ([ 24,11,10]);
translate ([23,14,10]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=8, r=2.5);
}
translate ([7,15.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=12, r=1.5);
translate ([31,23.5,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=20, r=1.5);
translate ([23,14.5,10]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=10, r=1);
translate ([23,11.5,10]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3, r=3.3);
translate ([31,6.4,-3]) rotate ([90,0,0]) nut ();
}

}
suspension_arm ();

module spring_mount () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
union () {
translate ([23,11.1,10]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=3, r=3);
translate ([19.5,8,7]) cube ([ 4,3,6]);
translate ([18,10,10]) rotate ([0,90,0]) cylinder ( h=2, r=6);
translate ([9,10,10]) rotate ([0,90,0]) cylinder ( h=10, r=5);
}
translate ([23,11.3,10]) rotate ([90,0,0]) cylinder ( h=6, r=1);
translate ([7,10,10]) rotate ([0,90,0]) cylinder ( h=10, r=3.5);
}
}
spring_mount ();

module nut ()
{
difference() {

translate([-3,-2,0]) cube ([6,4,2.5]);
translate ([0,0,-0.2])cylinder(h = 3, r = 1.5, $fn=80);
}
difference() {
rotate ([0,0,60])translate([-3,-2,0]) cube ([6,4,2.5]);translate ([0,0,-0.2])cylinder(h = 3, r = 1.5, $fn=80);
}
difference() {
rotate ([0,0,120])translate([-3,-2,0]) cube ([6,4,2.5]);translate ([0,0,-0.2])cylinder(h = 3, r = 1.5, $fn=80);
}
}

//nut();
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I still haven't printed these so some minor tweeking may be required but there you are. For springs you will need 45x12x1mm compression springs.

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Postby Son of a gun-ner » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:36 pm

Oh WOW, well done you Alwyn. :clap:

What tracks and running wheels would this suit?

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Postby AlwynTurner » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:41 pm

I will be doing the running wheel, sprocket, idler and return roller designs in due course but the KV1 tracks are what I will be using. They will need very slight trimming of the edges (about 2mm per side) so the dremmel will be busy, but they actually look a good match. The kv1 sprocket is too big so I will have to design a sprocket with 12 teeth rather than the 16 on the KV1. Lots to keep me busy but I'll publish the designs for you printer folk out there.

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Postby rochesb » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:24 pm

As a fairly recent newcomer to this forum I continue to be amazed at your 3D crafting & printing prowess. I have a 3D printer in my sights for my birthday later this year & have started playing with OpenSCAD in anticipation.

I would love to have a go at a Chieftain should you make the full design available.

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Postby wibblywobbly » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:48 pm

Good to see someone else doing one, it looks like the only way to get one is to build it yourself. I can't help thinking that if HL/Taigen etc had done a Chieftain they would have sold a lot more of those than the Chally. Such is life??? :|
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Postby rochesb » Tue Apr 03, 2018 4:53 pm

I think the Centurion and Chieftain have far more 'character' than the Challenger & Abrams. I remember my first military toys were a Dinky Antar & Centurion......
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Postby Ad Lav » Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:42 pm

Very nice idea!

Look forward to the build :)

I sent you an email about printing...
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Postby Panzerjaeger66 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:38 pm

Alwyn, great to see another british Tank scratch build!

Here you see my Horstmann bogies; I used the Ferdinand tracks and drive sprockets:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=17945&p=226665&hilit=centurion#p226665

they fit perfect...

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Postby AlwynTurner » Wed Apr 04, 2018 5:28 pm

Hi Freddy, where did you get the tracks and sprockets from please?

Just seen them on Chris's site, but 180 euro for tracks and sprockets !!! I think I'll use KV1 tracks and design and print my sprockets as otherwise my better half will divorce me.....

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Postby Panzerjaeger66 » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:29 pm

I got the tracks from Asiatam incl. sprockets:
https://www.asiatam.de/product_info.php ... -1-16.html

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Postby AlwynTurner » Wed Apr 04, 2018 7:06 pm

Hmmmm.... that's still a lot more than my pocket money. :haha: I akready have the KV1 tracks so I think I'll stick to plan A but thanks anyway.

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Postby AlwynTurner » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:03 am

Here's how I'm doing the track
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I'm trimming off the little winglets on the KV1 track which gives the correct scale size for the Chieftain. All I have to do now is design and print a sprocket ...... :crazy: 8O

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Postby AlwynTurner » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:16 am

I just finished designing and printing the wheel

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The wheel design is in 5 parts - tyre (print in TPU), wheel (print 2 of), spacer (to separate the two wheel sides), spindle, and wheel cover.

Here's the code for those interested
module tyre () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
translate([0,0,0.5]) cylinder(r=25,h=9);
translate([0,0,-0.5]) cylinder(r=20.8,h=12);
}
}
tyre ();

module road_wheel () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
translate([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=21,h=10);
translate([0,0,-0.5]) cylinder(r=19.5,h=11);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=21,h=4.5);
translate([0,0,-0.5]) cylinder(r=18,h=11);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=21,h=2);
translate([0,0,-0.5]) cylinder(r=9,5,h=11);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=21,h=4);
translate([0,0,-0.5]) cylinder(r=9.5,h=11);
translate([0,0,1.6]) cylinder(r1=14,r2=17.5, h=2.5);
}
rotate ([0,0,0]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,36]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,72]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,108]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,142]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,178]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,214]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,250]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,286]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;
rotate ([0,0,320]) translate ([11.5,0,2]) nut_large () ;

}

road_wheel ();


module centre_spindle () {
$fn=100;

difference () {
union () {
translate([0,0,-14]) cylinder(r=4,h=18);
translate([0,0,-14]) cylinder(r=5,h=16);
translate([0,0,-14]) cylinder(r=5.5,h=9.5);
}
translate([0,0,1]) cylinder(r=3,h=3.1);
translate([0,0,-14.5]) cylinder(r=1.5,h=19);
}
}
centre_spindle ();

module centre_cap () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
translate([0,0,2])cylinder(r=6,h=3);
translate([0,0,1.9])cylinder(r=4.2,h=2);
}
translate([0,0,5])cylinder(r2=2.3, r1=3.8,h=2, $fn=80);
translate([0,0,7])cylinder(r2=1.8,r1=2.3,h=0.5, $fn=80);
translate([0,0,6.5]) sphere(r = 2, $fn=80);
rotate ([0,0,0]) translate ([5.25,0,5]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,60]) translate ([5.25,0,5]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,120]) translate ([5.25,0,5]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,180]) translate ([5.25,0,5]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,240]) translate ([5.25,0,5]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,300]) translate ([5.25,0,5]) nut () ;
}
centre_cap ();

module wheel_spacer () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
union () {
translate([0,0,-4.5]) rotate ([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=8.7,5,h=6);
translate([0,0,-2.5]) rotate ([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=10,5,h=2.5);
}
translate([0,0,-14]) rotate ([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=5.2,h=20);
}
}
wheel_spacer ();

module nut (){
translate([-0.6,-0.4,0]) cube ([1.2,0.8,0.5]);
rotate ([0,0,60])translate([-0.6,-0.4,0]) cube ([1.2,0.8,0.5]);
rotate ([0,0,120])translate([-0.6,-0.4,0]) cube ([1.2,0.8,0.5]);
}
module nut_large (){
translate([-1.2,-0.8,0]) cube ([2.4,1.6,1]);
rotate ([0,0,60])translate([-1.2,-0.8,0]) cube ([2.4,1.6,1]);
rotate ([0,0,120])translate([-1.2,-0.8,0]) cube ([2.4,1.6,1]);
translate([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=0.75,h=1.5);
}
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Here's what the printed version of the suspension and wheel looks like (minus the tyres - I haven't printed them yet)
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Have fun!

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Postby wibblywobbly » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:34 am

Quick question, are you using an existing lower hull or scratch building one from styrene etc?
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Postby AlwynTurner » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:36 am

Scratch building and it's already underway, just needs reinforcing as it's a bit flimsy as it's only 2mm thick at the moment. I'll probably put another 2mm inside to firm it up and add some cross bracing as it's long and narrow.

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If anyone wants the dimensions then happy to copy the drawings I've made.

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Postby AlwynTurner » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:57 am

Here's the lower hull dimensions
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Postby AlwynTurner » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:26 pm

Gentlemen I give you the Chieftain (using KV1 Heng Long plastic track) sprocket
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I have tested the sprocket fit on the track, and I'm just printing it at the moment so then need to check it and confirm fit on the track and gearbox, then pretty it up to look like the Chieftain sprocket, and I'll publish the design.

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Postby AlwynTurner » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:21 pm

And here's the printed and tested article
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Obviously I will need the long shaft gearboxes for his build so I must get some ordered from Forgebear as they are currently out of stock.

Here's the code for the sprocket

module sprocket_hub () {
$fn=100;
translate([0,0,0]) sprocket ();
translate([0,0,25]) sprocket ();
difference () {
translate([0,0,2]) cylinder(r=6, h=20);
translate([0,0,1.5]) cylinder(r=4.25, h=12.5);
translate([0,0,0.5]) cylinder(r=1.5, h=24);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,15]) cylinder(r1=6,r2=14, h=10);
translate([0,0,18.1]) cylinder(r1=6,r2=12, h=7);
translate([0,0,1.5]) cylinder(r=4.25, h=12.5);
translate([0,0,0.5]) cylinder(r=1.5, h=24);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,2]) cylinder(r1=14,r2=6, h=10);
translate([0,0,1]) cylinder(r1=12,r2=6, h=7);
translate([0,0,1.5]) cylinder(r=4.25, h=12.5);
translate([0,0,0.5]) cylinder(r=1.5, h=24);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,8]) cylinder(r=8, h=10);
translate([0,0,1.5]) cylinder(r=4.25, h=12.5);
translate([0,0,0.5]) cylinder(r=1.5, h=24);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,27]) cylinder(r=17, h=1.5);
translate([0,0,26.5]) cylinder(r=16, h=3);
}
difference () {
translate([0,0,24]) cylinder(r=12, h=4.5);
translate([0,0,19.5]) cylinder(r=11, h=10);
}

difference () {
union () {
translate([0,0,24]) cylinder(r=12, h=1);
translate([0,0,20]) cylinder(r=5, h=5);
translate([0,0,24]) cylinder(r1=8,r2=6.5, h=2);
}
translate([0,0,19.5]) cylinder(r=3, h=9);
}
rotate ([0,0,0]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,30]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,45]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,60]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,90]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,120]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,135]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,150]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,180]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,210]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,225]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,240]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,270]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,300]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,315]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
rotate ([0,0,330]) translate ([10,0,25]) nut () ;
difference () {
union () {
translate([-9,-1,4.5]) cube ([18,2,3.3]);
translate([-1,-9,4.5]) cube ([2,18,3.3]);
translate([-11.5,-1,2]) cube ([23,2,2.5]);
translate([-1,-11.5,2]) cube ([2,23,2.5]);
}
translate([0,0,1.5]) cylinder(r=4.25, h=12.5);
translate([0,0,0,5]) cylinder(r=1.5, h=24);
}
translate ([-3.5,-5.6,6]) cube ([7,3,8]);
}
sprocket_hub ();

module sprocket () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
translate([0,0,0]) cylinder(r=17, h=2.8);
translate([0,0,-0.5]) cylinder(r=12, h=4);
}
rotate ([0,0,0]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,30]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,60]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,90]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,120]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,150]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,180]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,210]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,240]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,270]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,300]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
rotate ([0,0,330]) translate ([16.5,0,0]) tooth ();
}

//sprocket ();

module tooth () {
$fn=100;
difference () {
translate ([0,-2.5,0]) cube ([5.5,5,2.8]);
translate ([0,2.5,-0.5]) rotate ([0,0,-16]) cube ([6,5,4]);
translate ([1.5,-7.5,-0.5]) rotate ([0,0,16]) cube ([6,5,4]);
}
}


module nut ()
{
translate([-0.6,-0.4,0]) cube ([1.2,0.8,0.5]);
rotate ([0,0,60])translate([-0.6,-0.4,0]) cube ([1.2,0.8,0.5]);
rotate ([0,0,120])translate([-0.6,-0.4,0]) cube ([1.2,0.8,0.5]);
}
//}
module nut_large ()
{
translate([-1.2,-0.8,0]) cube ([2.4,1.6,1]);
rotate ([0,0,60])translate([-1.2,-0.8,0]) cube ([2.4,1.6,1]);
rotate ([0,0,120])translate([-1.2,-0.8,0]) cube ([2.4,1.6,1]);
}
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Just the idler and return roller to do

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Postby Model Builder 4 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:47 pm

Great design and scratch building as always Alwyn :clap: looking forward to seeing this progress :thumbup:

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Postby midlife306 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:21 pm

Hi Alwyn, looking great mate, I’m going to blatantly copy every little bit
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